Who’s destroying England?

Who’s destroying England?

London attacks and the war against Brexit

NOTE: Watch Paul Watson’s shocking video, The Truth about ‘Refugees’

by Jon Rappoport

June 4, 2017

“Here’s a great idea, boys. Gather around. We’re going to build, on top of every national government on the European continent, another government, bigger, more bloated, more corrupt, more powerful. Who’ll notice? Who’ll care?”

“Terrific. Love it. But ultimately we’ll need to destroy all those separate countries and rule the whole continent as one entity. We can do that, yes. We’ll open all borders and let in a massive flow of immigrants and erase national identities. Terror attacks will multiply. We’ll put a lid on talking about immigrants as the cause of the terror. Call it hate speech. We’ll train the population of Europe to accept terrorism as part of the glorious future. It makes no logical sense, but so what? No top-down ideology ever made sense. We’ll preach unlimited tolerance and love. We’ll be a de facto Church of sorts. We’ll hypnotize the whole continent…” (The Underground, Jon Rappoport)

As I was writing this article, multiple terror attacks were launched in London. To say the human destruction “once again raised the question of immigration” would be a vast understatement.

In the run-up to the Brexit vote in 2016, immigration came to the fore as the key issue. But of course, the European Union has a policy of opening borders of all member countries.

The EU wants one continent, no separate countries—and the way to achieve that is by creating a massive flood of migrants. Destroy traditions and cultures that define countries. In the process, accept terrorism as “inevitable.” Don’t talk or write about the actual effects of immigration. That would be “hate speech.” Keep eyes and mouth shut, and march straight ahead into a future of one European continent ruled from above by the EU.

Ever since the UK vote to leave the unelected, terminally corrupt, and rotting edifice known as the European Union, stall tactics and threats have been launched at Brits.

First it was, “It’s going to take a long time to untangle the UK from the EU, it’s very complicated.” Actually, that tactic was predated by Prince Obama traveling to England to warn the population they’d stand at the back of the line in forming separate trade deals with the US, if they left the EU. It’s called interfering in the political affairs of another nation. Now it’s the EU and Queen Merkel beating the UK to the punch by plotting trade deals with India and China, in order to leave the British out in the cold.

But the basic question is, Is Britain a nation? Does it exist? It’s a question citizens are supposed to answer. Not Merkel, Obama, or the EU.

This issue, in case it’s unclear, is all about Globalism. According to that totalitarian political philosophy, of which the EU is a standard bearer, there are no nations. There are only mega-corporations and banks.

As the recently departed guru of the Rockefeller Trilateral Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski, wrote in 1969, “[The] nation state as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force. International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation state.”

This is not only a political and economic statement, it’s a prescriptive piece of psychological advice: Stop thinking of yourself as a citizen of a country; you’re a global citizen; you exist and function at the pleasure of a new collaborative international order.

And the new order will triumph. Bow your heads and accept it.

Unless people get up on their hind legs and say no, which is what happened in the 2016 Brexit vote.

Defection. Decentralization. Independence.

Hideous words to the ears of Globalists.

Their basic strategy, since the end of World War 2, has been to spin a highly complex network of political and economic relationships, from one end of the world to the other—a labyrinth—from which escape is seen as virtually impossible.

Trade deals like NAFTA, CAFTA, and GATT are only part of this system. The EU itself keeps churning out thousands of rules, regulations, and laws.

Build the maze; put national governments and populations in the maze.

Then more or less claim the planet would collapse without the maze.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker just issued a “maze statement” to President Trump after Trump rejected the Globalist Paris Climate (non-) Treaty: “Europe’s duty is to say: it’s not like that. The Americans can’t just leave the climate protection agreement. Mr. Trump believes that [he can] because he doesn’t know the details…We tried to explain that to Mr. Trump in Taormina in clear German sentences. It seems that our attempt failed, but the law is the law, and it must be obeyed. Not everything which is law and not everything in international agreements is fake news, and we have to comply with it.”

Supremely arrogant, Juncker was winging it and writing his own script, because, in fact, the US didn’t sign on to a treaty in Paris. Obama tried to unilaterally bind the US to the climate pact, when a two-third’s vote by the US Senate is actually required for such international agreements. And no Senate vote was taken.

But this is the EU’s preemptive attitude toward defection, decentralization, and independence.

In the case of Brexit, climate change wasn’t the issue. Immigration was. The EU tried its best to chastise England for daring to insist unlimited numbers of migrants might be too many. “You’re in the maze, stay in the maze.”

And there is another vector of attack being launched at England: reminders the nation is evil for its colonial practices, which can never, ever be erased. But the covert leaders in that propaganda effort, the EU and its Globalist bosses, feel entitled in their own attempt to colonize the whole planet. “Your colonizing was bad, ours is good.”

With an annual budget in the vicinity of $100 billion, the EU is intractably corrupt and incompetent. It’s estimated that $5 billion a year is stolen from that budget. As for the other $95 billion, what is it for? Nations can govern themselves. The EU could disappear tomorrow and no one would catch a cold. The entire bloated structure, employing between 30 and 50 thousand people (depending on how far the count is extended) is a vast boondoggle.

It’s astonishing that anyone in the UK would feel a sense of loyalty to the EU.

There is nothing strange about Brexit at all. It’s a natural reaction: One day, a house pet goes outside and wanders off into the woods and never comes back. Who is really surprised?

The “system” called the EU insists that terrorism is somehow a price the British people must pay for entering “a better future for all.” Don’t ask what that future looks like. Don’t think about it. The UK doesn’t have the right to set its own immigration policy.

The chaos and destruction that result from open borders are simply an “adjustment period,” after which things will settle down. A new and better England and Europe will emerge. Diversity will triumph. How? Don’t worry about that, be happy.

You see, diversity is a high-minded principle, and by definition it implies a more humane society. Therefore, there is no counter-evidence. Facts are unimportant.

The latest London attacks are a message to the British people: You may have exited from the EU, but the EU policy on immigration still stands.

No it doesn’t. Britain is free to set its own policy.

To do so, politically correct speech will have to be jettisoned. Facts will have to be widely expressed. Lies will have to be widely exposed.

The EU will need to be named as a driving force in immigration, and the results of migration will need to be laid at its door.

The EU sees immigrant terrorism as its ticket to greater control over Europe.

The London attacks are a challenge thrown in Britain’s face. Bow down and accept; or rebel.

Leaving the EU means LEAVING the EU.

How many times must British citizens witness these attacks and watch police come in after the fact? How long before leaving means LEAVING?

How long before the British people realize that the flood of migrants is not simply “a refugee crisis” created by the US and its allies, whose imperialist policies of Empire and wars in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa, initiate “blowback?”

How long before they see numbers of these “refugees” are just military-age young men who arrive with destruction on their minds?

How long before they see England is riddled with EU agents who are “forwarding a humane immigration policy,” come hell or high water?

One continent, under no liberty and no justice, with suffering and slavery for all.

How long before they leave THAT?


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40 comments on “Who’s destroying England?

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  2. Bang on, Jon! Thanks for this clear analysis.

  3. Thx1138 says:

    How many of those London attacks were fake?

    • elliottjab says:

      Fake as in False Flag? Likely all… Collateral damage ignoring goes back to 9.11.

      No biggie for a long time – because WE allow it & have slim to none control… BUT – OUR time is approaching a machine speed.

    • Greg C. says:

      Of course they are fake. Notice how much information is ready to disseminate within 24 hours. The life stories of the attackers and victims. How people at the scene are ready to give a full account to the camera – instead of being withdrawn in shock and horror. How parents of victims are strangely in control and calm. They are all actors. There is video evidence – the previous bridge attack, a “victim” was seen jumping with a bungee cord. A group of actors getting into their costumes on the street. A policeman walking calmly by an uncovered body half under a bus. As one victim said, “It felt like I was watching a movie.” Yeah.

      • Sara says:

        Totally agree. I can’t understand how more people don’t see this. The pictures presented with these hoaxes make no sense. I also read a comment by a person who was staying in a hotel right where this went down and he said that it looked like a movie set…the area was totally blocked off way prior to the alleged attack, and ambulances were staged.

  4. elliottjab says:

    Read it and weep … Then get pissed.

  5. Fiona Hopes says:

    Problem – reaction – solution….. is this a back door way for internet control as well? These ‘terrorists’ get radicalised via the internet, of course. And what about putting more armed police on the streets? They did such a good job by using 50 bullets to kill three people (and injure a fourth) that we need more of them. We are one step away from martial law.

  6. We need to “meddle” more and normalize less an open arms policy at the whim of others.

  7. Hmmm….”refugees” are just military-age young men who arrive with destruction on their minds?…
    When a country is in the throes of occupation, attack and rape of its citizens signifies intent to end its sovereign power.

  8. Europe’s leaders are puppets for the NWO who want Europe to collapse and allow a third world war that will concentrate the power of the elite in a postwar one world government and currency. There is no way so many nations would simultaneously adopt policies of national suicide if it wasn’t being planned.
    Even prophecy foresaw this end. (Nostradamus said neglect and negligence would leave France, and Europe, open to an Islamic invasion.) Just wait until the economic collapse begins and different groups really turn on each other.
    Read: Nostradamus and the Islamic Invasion of Europe – https://www.amazon.com/Nostradamus-Islamic-Invasion-Europe-Montaigne/dp/1546435840

  9. From Quebec says:

    If I were Trump, I would re-write a new document on immigration. I would ban ALL immigration in the USA for the next ten years, no matter who they are and where they come from..

    And I would make easy good trade deals only with the Brexit people, or any other nation who are willing to close their borders. Other countries who have open borders, can go to hell.

  10. ian purkis says:

    Read these referenced and academic articles to understand that the EU is yet another creation of the CIA and is controlled by US and other globalists

    https://professorwerner.wordpress.com/

  11. ErnieM says:

    No mention of the usual perps who are behind the open doors policies destroying Europe and America. Oh no, that would not be pc.

  12. Sara says:

    The effect is real, but the loss of life is not. These hoaxes need to be exposed, and the fact that you talk about them as if they are real is disturbing.

  13. jillmirran says:

    Thank you Jon for this article.. so many in Scotland refuse to believe there is a problem. And there is no one to vote for as Israel occupies us, as in all of Europe, well everywhere.

  14. Justin Pratten says:

    Totally xenophobic rant. Britain has always had immigrants. ALL the attacks are staged by MI6/CIA, they have nothing to do with the immigrants. The NHS has been underfunded, nothing to do with immigrants! We have always lived in peace with multiple religions and ethnicities, ALL this conflict is being manufactured. Want it to stop? Then stop voting for liars, murderers and thieves with your ballots and taxes. Stop giving them your time and energy and support the whistleblowers instead of trying to profit from misery.

  15. CPP says:

    The “all terror is a hoax and nobody is ever injured or killed” meme that I see floating around here is just another dimension of psy-ops. It’s a way of poisoning the truth-seekers’ well and turning people away from alternative information, serving very much the same function as the flat-Earther resurgence. Notice that the hoax meme really does nothing to interfere with the agendas of the globalist powers (just as with flat Earth); all it does is create division and disgust and factionalization on the Internet, which again helps drive people back to the MSM.

    It also requires believing that either there are no actual Islamist jihadists with intent to carry out terrorist acts (or they only exist outside the West for some reason), or that the governments of the West are so all-powerful and all-controlling that no jihadist could ever actually hurt anybody without government permission, which is apparently no longer granted because those controlling the intel agencies care so much about our safety that they have to hoax everything…See how ridiculous this gets?

    Blood was shed in past terror events, and it continues to be, however complicit or directly involved in those events the intel agencies (or compartmented sections of them) are. Why would it be necessary or realistic that everything is a contrived hoax wherein there are no victims? It’s much more straightforward to advance a terror agenda via actual terror, and less fraught with the risks involved in having to include everyone and his brother in elaborate stageplays.

    This isn’t to say that crisis actors haven’t been used in conjunction with contrived events or managed events with real victims (maybe real and fake) or as add-ons to steer narratives around real terror events and operations. But if everything is a hoax through-and-through, then there is really nothing to worry about regarding Islamist jihadists in your country and the involvement of Western intelligence agencies with them, is there? How convenient. It’s all fine and good until your fiancée is leveled by a van or there’s a knife in your neck or your daughter is full of shrapnel.

    As an example, you just have to throw all of this kind of thing out, and the guy in the vid must be an actor based on…? Right.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/04/londoners-fought-back-threw-chairs-rammed-taxi/

    Because they would come up with unlikely shit like this as part of an invented narrative, right?:

    “Fuck you, I’m Millwall!”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3731817/defiant-battlecry-of-hero-footie-fan-hailed-the-lion-of-london-bridge-after-single-handedly-fighting-machete-terror-trio-with-bare-fists/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3738730/hero-millwall-fan-reveals-his-injuries-to-the-sun-after-he-stopped-london-bridge-jihadis-attacking-women-and-children-in-restaurant/

    P.S. The comment by Greg C. mentions “life stories of attackers and victims” within 24 hours and yet as of three days after the London Bridge attack, the 6th, only three of the seven killed were identified, and the third attacker was only identified in the media on that day. So yeah, that holds up. This is indicative of the kind of research and perceptiveness behind these blanket statements of “they’re all actors” etc.

  16. Tony says:

    A great oddity of our age is the flourishing of identity politics that somehow understands very little about the mechanisms of identity.

    — In biology, if an alien agent is introduced to an incumbent system that hasn’t evolved to accommodate that agent; disruption occurs.

    — In psychotherapeutics, if alien thoughts and beliefs are introduced to an incumbent system that hasn’t evolved to accommodate them; disruption occurs.

    — In magic and spirituality, if alien entities are introduced to an incumbent system that hasn’t evolved to accommodate them; disruption occurs.

    So why should it be any different on the level of nation states and cultural identity? “As above; so below.”

    But somehow, curiously, we’re being asked (told) to open boundaries and restrictions and embrace the whole caboodle. Our physiology, our psyche and our souls struggle with ‘the other’; a process is undertaken which frequently is lengthy and hazardous. But since this is an ‘ugly’ truth — it doesn’t fit a Disneyfied cartoon version of reality — it gets banished to the shadow.

    Instead we’re spoon-fed bland, meaningless platitudes about love and tolerance. Sugary, infantile calls to ‘stand together’; all because we’re incapable of seriously and maturely examining the truth of the shadow.

    Enforced policy and social engineering only goes so far. When faced with the unknown alien, a stronger force is aroused — one that is not lost in the fog of superficial layers of conditioning — and one that cares not a jot for the controlling influence of the super ego. This is as true on the personal level as it is on the level of cultural identity and nation states.

    Just like holding an inflatable ring underwater, this force can not be suppressed indefinitely and will resurface in time.

    • ian purkis says:

      It is not an accident this Nazi stuff all happens. It is the NWO. The way the whole mess was set up for the the post WW2 era is described and referenced in several articles under

      https://professorwerner.wordpress.com/

      • Tony says:

        Thanks for the link, very interesting and yes I agree it’s not an accident.

        I’m particularly interested in social control — especially some of the mechanisms through which the powers that be exercise it. I do feel that at a certain point, social conditioning is not enough to stultify deeper forces within our psyches which need to break through and throw off the shackles of BS (of which there are many).

        Maybe this is (on one level) evident by the UK voting for Brexit despite all the official propaganda.

  17. Roger Fuller says:

    06-09-2017
    I’m glad this article comes with this particular video by Paul Joseph Watson and I hope everyone here saw it. I don’t completely agree with Paul’s analysis. He says refugees are each paying 1500 Euros to the People Smugglers. But that doesn’t mean they’re rich. Many are not smart with their money and many spend their whole life savings to these People Smugglers.
    But Paul J. Watson is dead right about one thing. Africa’s human population is exploding ! Hey Paul ! Tell Alex Jones about the exploding African population and how Malthus and Paul Ehrlich were right ! We are seeing, right before our very eyes, in this video, the end stage product of the criminally insane, anti-birth control policy of the Roman Catholic Church in the African Continent. And the destructive work of the Roman Catholic Church is not only in Africa, but all over the World. In Paul Ehrlich’s book, ” The Population Bomb ” he warned the entire World of this problem 49 years ago. Why didn’t anyone listen ??? There is precious little time to save the planet now.
    And I don’t see Jon Rappoport mention the issue of exploding African population as the source of the problem. Does he believe the European Union really wants this inundation of Refugees ? To whose purpose does it serve ? I see it serving no ones purpose. One should not assume that the Roman Catholic Church is a sane organization. If anyone thinks things aren’t too bad now; read what population scientists have already written. Exponential population growth leads to total global disaster if it is not stopped.

    • CPP says:

      Sounds like a call for another of Kissinger’s NSSM 200s.

      “NSSM 200 captured the power elite’s preoccupation with carrying capacity and population control. These concepts originated with the ideas of Thomas Malthus…”

      “Malthus concluded that society should adopt certain social policies to prevent the human population from growing disproportionately larger than the food supply. Of course, these social policies were anything but humane. They stipulated the stultification of industrial and technological development in poor communities. With the inevitable depreciation of vital infrastructure, society’s “dysgenics” would eventually be purged by the elements. According to Malthus, such sacrifice guaranteed a healthy society.”
      http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-cambodian-memory-hole/

      Read this on Malthus, Ehrlich, and overpopulation propaganda: https://www.corbettreport.com/the-last-word-on-overpopulation/

      (from above) Malthus’ words: “Instead of recommending cleanliness to the poor, we should encourage contrary habits. In our towns we should make the streets narrower, crowd more people into the houses, and court the return of the plague…But above all, we should reprobate specific remedies for ravaging diseases…”

      Apparently Obama was listening to Ehrlich. Read this on Obama’s Science Czar, John Holdren, who co-authored Ecoscience with Paul and Anne Ehrlich: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/06/30/when-malthusians-become-messiahs/

      (from above) “… (in) Ecoscience, Holdren endorses “sterilizing women after their second or third child” and administering a “long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin” for “coercive fertility control.”
      “…(also in) Ecoscience, Holdren reintroduces the draconian notion of adding sterilants to drinking water…

      As were the ‘fellers: “Senator Jay Rockefeller said, “Dr. Holdren, I don’t want to embarrass you but I sometimes refer to you as walking on water.””

      Darwin and Malthus:

      “In fact, Darwinism and Malthusianism are actively promulgated within orthodox academia because of the political and social capital that they afford for an elite few. L. Fletcher Prouty elaborates:

      “We’re still operating under the principles of Haileybury College — Malthus and Darwin — even though both of them are ridiculous. It’s been proved today that our ability to produce food is 70 times greater per farmer than it was in the time of Malthus. It’s been proved that Darwin never did discover the origin of the species — no scientist has ever described the origin of any species. But those two doctrines were implanted by the East India Company’s mind-control techniques so thoroughly that we still believe them. (Ratcliffe)”” http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/06/30/survival-of-the-richest-obamas-corporate-stimulus-package/

      Additional quotes:

      “Underneath the multitude of neo-Malthusian voices warning of the dire consequences attached to unchecked population growth, there is the hissing sound of demographic deflation.

      “One of the first indications that the people bomb was fizzling out came in a 2001 article in Nature Magazine entitled “The end of population growth.” In the article, the authors concluded that there is “around an 85% chance that the world’s population will stop growing before the end of the century” (Lutz, Sanderson, and Scherbov). Furthermore, the authors predicted that the coming population decline “will pose major social and economic challenges” (ibid).”” http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/04/13/the-floodgates-open-wide-obama-and-our-eugenical-future/

      “Editor of CitizenLink, Jennifer Mesko, weighed in as well. The proposed report by the Sustainable Development Commission due out next month, says Steven Mosher, amounts to an “economic death warrant.””

      “People in the right economic circumstances generate wealth; you need wealth to protect the environment,” he said. “Poverty, not people, is the great enemy of the environment. Poverty is what leads people to cut down the last tree for fuel, to plant the last square foot of land for food.” http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/29/bilderberger-jonathon-porritt-having-more-than-two-children-is-irresponsible/

  18. Ignatius Albright says:

    A question I’ve been asking for more than 10 years now, is ‘Now that Rockefeller, Brzezinski, and Kissinger are getting older (and even though they still retain an immense amount of power), who is being groomed to be the new R, B, & K?

    • CPP says:

      Transhuman versions of Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg.

      And their frontline operatives will be transhuman versions of Chelsea Clinton, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Angelina Jolie and Bono.

      • arcadia11 says:

        lol. and not just because it’s funny but because it’s likely true.

      • Ignatius Albright says:

        CPP (and arcadia 11) Can you please expand on this with some good reference material please?

        • CPP says:

          Um no…The source was my imagination / sense of humor…I thought that would be obvious enough, especially that I threw in “transhuman”. Obviously the trio I named are very rich and influential corporate globalist types, hence the selection. I’m not sure why the trio you refer to would have to be specifically replaced on a one-to-one basis. And the Rockefellers are a dynastic family that remains around with David gone, whereas the other two seem to be more of one-off operatives / intellectual flunkies / statesmen. The upper echelons of Trilateralists and CFR members would be an obvious place to find these types.

        • arcadia11 says:

          ditto on cpp’s response, ignatius. it was just of-the-times relevant humor.

  19. Roger Fuller says:

    06-14-2017
    In response to CPP :
    So I suppose you never heard the BBC News reports in the last 2 years that there are only 1/2 million elephants in the whole of Africa; that 40 % of all giraffes are already gone; that the Northern White Rhino is almost extinct ( only one family left ) ; that Africans are already eating boiled rats; that 1 million Africans in South Sudan are on the brink of starvation; that in the last 2 years 4600 Africans have drowned trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea ?
    Just because some jerks have draconian methods for controlling population; like Agenda 21, doesn’t mean it has to be that way. If we had a government that promoted simple, basic, common sense birth control; not only would no one be killed; no one would even have to be hurt, if it’s done right. This kind of population control should have happened in 1961 when JFK became president.
    We are 56 years late at doing it now. That’s why I say we have precious little time to fix this greatest problem. In 1972, around the time of NSSM 200, there were very good plans to control population the right way, by the U.S. Federal Government. With the Vietnam War going on; Nixon was extreemly unpopular. So good population control was completely sabotaged by the Roman Catholic Church and secretly and underhandedly. Now, 45 more years later, we face a much more dire situation and much more draconian proposals are being made.
    You clearly don’t realize that in Malthus’s time, around 1800, it took the whole of human history to add the first 1 billion people. It took 123 years to add the second billion people and only 33 years for the third billion people. Now we are adding a billion people every 12 years. We are now at 7.5 billion people. Malthus never faced problems like the Polar Ice Caps melting or an 11 mile crack in an Antarctic Ice Shelf ( only 2 weeks ago ), or the Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch or Fukushima Pacific Ocean Pollution.

    “People in the right economic circumstances generate wealth; you need wealth to protect the environment,” he said. “Poverty, not people, is the great enemy of the environment. Poverty is what leads people to cut down the last tree for fuel, to plant the last square foot of land for food.” http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/29/bilderberger-jonathon-porritt-having-more-than-two-children-is-irresponsible/

    This statement that you made is pure garbage. What do you think every tree that was ever cut down on this planet was cut down for ? FOR HUMAN NEEDS. So less people means less consumption and therefore less environmental degradation. It is really that simple. The concept that we should have endless, exponential human population growth on this Earth is clearly total insanity.

    • CPP says:

      Happened to check this, not really expecting further comment… Here’s my delayed reply.

      You imply that the following problems are most importantly related to, essentially, raw population numbers…

      -Reduction and threatened extinction of large mammals in Africa
      -Africans eating boiled rats
      -1 million South Sudanese on the brink of starvation
      -4600 Africans drowning while being smuggled into Europe in the last 2 years
      -Polar ice caps melting, and an 11 mile crack in the Antarctic ice shelf (Assuming there is actually a problem here)
      -The Great Pacific Ocean Garbage Patch
      -The Fukushima disaster

      …and not to poverty (independent of population size), neocolonialism, geopolitics, the sun, corporations holding no responsibility for the waste they originate, energy monopolies and suppression of clean/safe/cheap/de-centralized energy sources. Congratulations, I believe you just secured a membership in The Club of Rome.

      You make the bizarre assumption that I “clearly don’t realize” what the global pop growth looks like over the course of known history. You say “we are adding a billion people every 12 years” as though this rate is expected to continue or increase, and you seem to imagine we are facing “endless, exponential human population growth”, yet demographic models do not predict continued exponential growth or even linear growth at the current level continuing much longer, especially globally. And no, less people equaling less environmental degradation — it really isn’t that simple. You could have a global population of 500,000,000 and have a global corporate government continue to strip-mine and pollute and lay waste to the planet in service of its own ends.

      You also say that a statement I quoted (not that I made), is “pure garbage” because it dares to point out that poverty might cause more problems for an environment than population size or growth itself. Yet, many of the trees cut down were and are, as the statement points out, for fuel, because the people do not have access to more efficient and sustainable power sources. Never mind the modern suppression of hemp in favor of pulp and paper from trees.

      Additionally, as I alluded to above, the first four points of yours that I highlighted clearly have much more to do with poverty (and neocolonialism/corporate plunder, geopolitics etc.) than with population numbers in and of themselves. Poaching is attractive when there is so much poverty and weak rule of law, and starvation and economic migration don’t exist because there isn’t enough to go around, they exist because political and economic powers create the conditions for them and allow them to persist.

      …”some jerks” have draconian methods, yes, the ones you cited, Malthus and Ehrlich, who provided the foundation for this entire misanthropic, elitist, population-as-the-root-of-all-evil mentality. And my God, I was more right than I thought about the NSSM 200 analogue…You actually seem to think that the U.S. president should take it upon himself to enact population control over the entire globe. But don’t worry, “no one would even have to be hurt”. Amazing.

      None of this is to say that unending population growth on this planet is desirable, or that large populations, interacting with other factors, don’t contribute to environmental degradation and species extinction. Nor am I advocating for the Catholic Church (or any church) and its anti-contraception proselytizing. But that’s a far cry from this myopic, neo-Malthusian hysteria and misattribution of ills to “this greatest problem” as you call it, of population growth, which conveniently shelters the corporate power-elite from responsibility.

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