The secret circle that controls governments

by Jon Rappoport

August 22, 2018

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Who is in charge of destroying borders and separate nations?

One group has been virtually forgotten. Its influence is enormous. It has existed since 1973.

It’s called the Trilateral Commission (TC).

Keep in mind that the original stated goal of the TC was to create “a new international economic order.”

In the run-up to his inauguration after the 2008 presidential election, Obama was tutored by the co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

In 1969, four years before birthing the TC with David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote: “[The] nation state as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force. International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation state.”

Goodbye, separate nations.

Any doubt on the question of TC goals is answered by David Rockefeller himself, the founder of the TC, in his Memoirs (2003): “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

Patrick Wood, author of Trilaterals Over Washington, points out there are only 87 members of the Trilateral Commission who live in America. Obama appointed eleven of them to posts in his administration.

For example: Tim Geithner, Treasury Secretary;
James Jones, National Security Advisor;
Paul Volker, Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee;
Dennis Blair, Director of National Intelligence.

Here is a stunning piece of forgotten history, a 1978 conversation between a US reporter and two members of the Trilateral Commission. (Source: Trilateralism: The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management; ed. by Holly Sklar, 1980, South End Press, Pages 192-3).

The conversation was public knowledge at the time.

Anyone who was anyone in Washington politics, in media, in think-tanks, had access to it. Understood its meaning.

But no one shouted from the rooftops. No one used the conversation to force a scandal. No one protested loudly.

The conversation revealed that the entire basis of the US Constitution had been torpedoed, that the people who were running US national policy were agents of an elite shadow group. No question about it.

And yet: official silence. Media silence. The Dept. of Justice made no moves, Congress undertook no serious inquiries, and the President, Jimmy Carter, issued no statements. Carter was himself an agent of the Trilateral Commission in the White House. He had been plucked from obscurity by David Rockefeller, and through elite TC press connections, vaulted into the spotlight as a pre-eminent choice for the Presidency.

The following 1978 conversation featured reporter, Jeremiah Novak, and two Trilateral Commission members, Karl Kaiser and Richard Cooper. The interview took up the issue of who exactly, during President Carter’s administration, was formulating US economic and political policy.

The careless and off-hand attitude of Trilateralists Kaiser and Cooper is astonishing. It’s as if they’re saying, “What we’re revealing is already out in the open, it’s too late to do anything about it, why are you so worked up, we’ve already won…”

NOVAK (the reporter): Is it true that a private [Trilateral committee] led by Henry Owen of the US and made up of [Trilateral] representatives of the US, UK, West Germany, Japan, France and the EEC is coordinating the economic and political policies of the Trilateral countries [which would include the US]?

COOPER: Yes, they have met three times.

NOVAK: Yet, in your recent paper you state that this committee should remain informal because to formalize ‘this function might well prove offensive to some of the Trilateral and other countries which do not take part.’ Who are you afraid of?

KAISER: Many countries in Europe would resent the dominant role that West Germany plays at these [Trilateral] meetings.

COOPER: Many people still live in a world of separate nations, and they would resent such coordination [of policy].

NOVAK: But this [Trilateral] committee is essential to your whole policy. How can you keep it a secret or fail to try to get popular support [for its decisions on how nations will conduct their economic and political policies]?

COOPER: Well, I guess it’s the press’ job to publicize it.

NOVAK: Yes, but why doesn’t President Carter come out with it and tell the American people that [US] economic and political power is being coordinated by a [Trilateral] committee made up of Henry Owen and six others? After all, if [US] policy is being made on a multinational level, the people should know.

COOPER: President Carter and Secretary of State Vance have constantly alluded to this in their speeches. [a lie]

KAISER: It just hasn’t become an issue.

This interview slipped under the mainstream media radar, which is to say, it was buried.

US (and other nations’) economic and political policy run by a committee of the Trilateral Commission—the Commission created in 1973 by David Rockefeller and his sidekick, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

When Carter won the presidential election (1976), his aide, Hamilton Jordan, said that if after the inauguration, Cy Vance and Brzezinski came on board as secretary of state and national security adviser, “We’ve lost. And I’ll quit.” Lost—because both men were powerful members of the Trilateral Commission and their appointment to key positions would signal a surrender of White House control to the Commission.

Vance and Brzezinski were appointed secretary of state and national security adviser, as Jordan feared. But he didn’t quit. He became Carter’s chief of staff.

Now consider the vast propaganda efforts of the past 40 years, on so many levels, to install the idea that all nations and peoples of the world are a single Collective.

From a very high level of political and economic power, this propaganda op has had the objective of grooming the population for a planet that is one coagulated mass, run and managed by one force. A central engine of that force is the Trilateral Commission.

—One planet, with national borders erased, under one management system, with a planned global economy, “to restore stability,” “for the good of all, for lasting harmony.”

And one day in the future, a student would ask his teacher, “What happened to the United States?” And the teacher would say, “It was a criminal enterprise based on individual freedom. Fortunately, our leaders rescued the people and taught them the superior nature of HARMONY AND COOPERATION.”

—However, the rough, uneven, and challenging nationalism surfacing in a number of countries is evidence that many people are waking up from, and resisting, the Trilateral Collectivist trance…


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The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.

71 comments on “The secret circle that controls governments

  1. petergrafstrm says:

    It is called an imperialist dictatorial oligarchy. To describe it as collectivism is to leave out who is at the top.
    Within a nation collectivism for part of the population is not a big deal. Their pension funds may be handled effectively. Liberalism opens the way to weaken people with a false reference to freedom. Privatisation in many cases has simply been to feed the offshorebanks.
    By generally demonising the term collectivism like many americans do only the strong and ruthless benefit.
    Nuances are extremely important. Classes are not evil. Some people are better fit for qualified tasks. Classlessness is counter to nature. But everything must be handled with judgement and moderation.

      • petergrafstrm says:

        So you want a world revolution then? Because if not, all you get is braindrain away from the radical version of democracy you point to. Marx and Trotsky wanted a world revolution.
        The middle class was put in camps. Russia suffered and likewise China. In both cases the angloamericans actively and passively made it happen.
        As I understand you, you say no to judgement and moderation.

        • jbsptfn says:

          The person who runs this site (it isn’t me) says that we need to abolish capitalism and the class system world wide. However, the person that runs the site isn’t in agreement with Marx: http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/old/manifesto.htm

          • shropster says:

            “Sweet dreams are made these…”

          • petergrafstrm says:

            It is critically important to clarify what you mean by the term ‘class-system’
            In several modern countries you do have a chance to educate yourself and to have a qualified job. That automatically means you rise on the class-ladder. Thus getting rid of the class-system sounds like the differentiation of peoples opportunities would be less strongly tied to their achievements. There are of course other barriers between those coming from a simple background and the higher status people, but they are not a complete hindrance for people to climb by way of merits.

    • Freespirit says:

      The REAL OCTOPUS of GLOBAL CONTROL: https://youtu.be /w4_m71QvkJ8 and from Brendan O’Connell : https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=3enfNTC4bRI

  2. marlene katz says:

    I’ve read several articles by investigative journalists, together with documents, statements and videos, that prove, to my satisfaction that the Trilateral Commission groomed, prepared, and got Obama “elected” through great fraud and secrecy involving the fakestream media, government agencies, and Congress itself. I believe that the only family with enough to buy off thousands of bureaucrats in every government institution in America is the Rothschilds. And it wasn’t just bribery. Blackmail was used against many people in high levels of our government who were engaged in massive pedophilia within many pedophilia rings, both in America and globally. There were also threats to the persons and families of those who could not be blackmailed or bought. It was a sad day for our Republic when Obama literally “transformed” our country by violating and trashing our Constitution and bringing us nearly to our knees both economically and militarily, as well as nearly dividing us on numerous issues and nearly destroying our culture, safety, and security. Hillary was also chosen to finish the job, but thank God for His intervention. Such destruction was not in His timeline.

  3. Freespirit says:

    I notice absolutely NO MENTION by you, “Jon”, of the House of Rothschild, House of Windsor and Vatican as “leadership” in this whole “enterprise” (SCHEME) for/of which the Trilateral Commission is simply the “Front-man” TOOL to take the heat,so-to-speak.

    Par for the Course

    There are only 3 main groups who would refuse to ADMIT that TRUTH – Freemasons, Zionists and the uninformed

    Where do you fit in Jon?

    • honestliberty says:

      Free- shut the fuck up you provocateur. The world doesn’t operate according to the terms you conveniently place to reinforce your bias

      • Freespirit says:

        You must be (1) American,judging by the TRASH TALK replacing reasonably literate English & (2) A Zionist TROLL, judging by the FEAR in your words

        I am surprised you could come up with”provocateur”. but for all it is worth,THAT is a good and hopeful sign for you

        As far as the English problem I would suggest a REMEDIAL course.

        Zionism problem – No Hope for you. Even throwing away your TALMUD wont work. but then again,Maybe you should check out “Brother Nathanael Kapner”, a former Ashkenazi, who converted

        I’m Atheist,by the way.

        You are correct though about my being a PROVOCATEUR- A Provocateur for making people think.

        Seems to have worked on you

        Thanks for stopping by

        • honestliberty says:

          typical non-American, making judgments about us with no evidence.

          I stand firmly against zionism and Israel and I’m familiar with Brother Nathaniel.
          You may be confusing me with Quebec. She is the jew ass coverer, as they can do no wrong due to her christian beliefs.

          I’m not a Religionist so you being an atheist is irrelevant.

          • Freespirit says:

            I have more evidence than you have time to thoroughly check out, IF you are even capable of comprehending it, considering your Zionist-AMERICAN non-education system’s, infantile INDOCTRINATION

    • nickstaxfree says:

      This is just one (1) piece to a much bigger puzzle. He would have to write a book larger than “War & Peace” to tell the whole evil plan that it is. Is that what would make you happy? Try reading all his other writings before you troll a great man.
      You only mention 3 other group, I don’t have time to add to your list, and neither does Jon.

      • Freespirit says:

        Oh, please.

        Are you for real?

        I have been in this fight since the late 1960s,, well before the Internet and even then, with very little knowledge people could give a better argument than you seem able to.

        You are boring and just making excuses

        SHOO, little fly and go pester some juveniles who would be more your speed.

    • Larry says:

      You couldn’t be more wrong, Freespirit…..before you go flapping your gums again, do your homework: dig deeply in to the archives here at Nomorefakenews.com and then return with an informed comment based on FACT.

      Just a suggestion ….😎

      • Freespirit says:

        Just a suggestion……to you, “Larry”!

        Learn to pay attention. I am talking about THIS article.Why would I dig into the archives, when any writer, including Jon Rappaport, can. not only change their mind but their Politics, Philosophies , Religious Beliefs etc.etc., thus making any past articles virtually worthless?

        Are you another American,by chance, who learned in school that the mere ability that YOU can talk (or write) means you must know what you are talking or writing about ??

        I was a teacher for 15 years and would be giving you a lot of “catch-up” homework

        …..OOOOOR, possibly your comprehension skills are at low ebb today?

        I am truly shocked by the low level of commenters here,when I know Jon is a very well-versed, excellent writer and deeply intellectual person

        Did you find this site by mistake?

        • Larry says:

          “I was a teacher for 15 years and would be giving you a lot of “catch-up” homework.”

          (Insert OOOHS & AHHHS here!)

          Quick somebody – am I bleeding???

          Your trolling abilities are at low ebb today, no???

          Crawl back under your bridge, sonny – oh, and watch out for traffic.

        • whats with the American bashing?

          typical tough guy armchair internet shit talker. You wouldn’t say that to my face if you knew me. That is a guarantee. But of course, you can smugly talk shit and cast aspersions on Jon without having to take the risk of the consequences of doing it in person.

          Come visit me in Arvada, Colorado if you ever want to. I’ll gladly meet up with you and provide you the opportunity to insult me in person you punk.

          • Freespirit says:

            Acting tough, trying to make up for getting your asses kicked all over this planet now, and further being ruled by a handful of Zionist cowardly Thugs in Israel,are you…..200 of them in your congress, and other Zionists controlling your Hollywood, your Media and non-education system and now the Corporation U.S.A. unofficially controlled by Noahide law

            Yeh, really tough guy……….IN the MOVIES.

            American Bullies getting what they deserve, now, all over this planet and COWARDS who murder unarmed Muslim Women and Children, trying to frighten, me an Irish Rebel 🙂

            I’m not “anti-American.I am anti STUPIDITY and DISHONESTY.

            If the “shoe fits,wear it”, in the meantime………….

            Hang your head in shame and……..

            Grow up, if that is possible :-), :-), 🙂

            • honestliberty says:

              So free has outed himself so effortlessly. Angry Muslim, are ya? Why don’t you go back and abrogate your dad’s last pump with a pull-out, you filthy Savage?

              Seriously though, irony is lost on this one. Guy comes into a site where most of us commenters are in varying degrees anti-imperialism, anti-government, anti-organized religion, anti-Zionist, and he spews inflammatory tough guy talk bashing Americans as though we actually have a say in what the government does, and then when I respond by telling him he wouldn’t say that to my face..(so I give him the city and state with intention to meet me if he’s so serious about it) claims we’re tough guys in movies? WTF?
              You filthy Muslims are Satan’s pawns, and Muhammad was a pedophile, rapist, thieving, scum sucking warlord. Seriously. PbuhimMyAss! If hell exists, which is unlikely, he is getting reamed by Satan right now and Satan doesn’t give reach arounds.

              Then this fella had the nerve to talk about consciousness when he brings in nothing but aggression and anger, attempting to sow dissent and tension? And you were in this since the sixties? Good grief pal. How many child brides have you taken since then, against their will, while strangling the ones you hold with your right hand?

              I know your disgusting books, your disgusting “prophet”, and your cowardly faithful who murder and steal across the world, enslaving children for sex. If you think Muslims deserve anything except a swift kick out of ever Western society, you are reading the wrong books buddy.

              Good God I wish I could meet you in person, seriously come to Arvada, I’ll meet you at the Volt, in town, and you can talk your Muslim shit to my face and see how far that gets you. I’m 35, so I’ll go easy on ya. Maybe just one jab to the gut, so I don’t break your dentures or risk you breaking a hip when I’d knock you unconscious.

              I love the internet. People get to say all sorts of things they wouldn’t dare to someone’s face, because there is no possibility of negative consequences.

              But here’s my offer internet tough guy, if you are ever in the States before you croak, you start it I’ll end it in person.

        • Michael Burns says:

          Freespirit (sic):

          “I have been in this fight since the late 1960s,, (sic) […]”

          Ah that explains a lot — old age, it must be a bitch. To long on the line, without relief from the godam dissonance. Some never find grace in there late years…

          Arthritis must be hard on you, makes you cranky, huh…I’m sure your alcoholism, and constipation is playing hell with your pancreas — is the gout back? And these insulin spikes from that poor diet of yours must be playing hell with your emotions — right?

          Lies, Lies and more lies — you simply can’t trust yourself anymore.

          I empathize…reluctantly — I think it is because of your apathy.

          Being as old as you apparently are — and that has got to be in the high seventies — correct me if I’m wrong, I’m sure you will anyway — life gets hard, when all life leaves you is this bitterness at last. And all your best days are gone and there is greater amount of  time behind you than there is in front of you — all the best parts of you have gone…well, maybe not gone, but they have become really soft and, flaccid. 

          With no lead in his pencil, whats a writer to do — the only penetrating conversations, are those words spit out in slanderous rant to all. The only kick you can get out of your life, after decades of loneliness is trolling websites, and disparage invidiously the patrons with buckets of your usual old vitriol.

          But there still hope for redemption…you could kill yourself now and be over it, for this life.

          But, and I say that with a fervor, for you mind to pop open like a freshly squeezed zit and allow the poison to seep out, you must reason your way to an better understanding.

          Atheism is a terribly brutal task master. It wipes its boots on your soul, old man — and with an entrenched lack of belief — in anything — and prolonged adherence to such a sniveling spiritless dogma. In the end you are hollow, lost of all capacity, or ability thereof. And now left in a very big and deep black-hole.

          Cheers Pop

          • Freespirit says:

            It is very interesting at the number of TROLLS, occupying Jon’s site.

            I wonder if he knows that?

            The GOOD NEWS is that being attacked by, so many , only tells me I am over the TARGET of truth and you Zionists do not like it , and thus your rather infantile attacks 🙂

            Sorry to disappoint you all but I follow over 40 Alternative News sites and comment on all which allow comments and further I have an EMAIL list of many hundreds of Writers, Journalists, (including Jon Rappaport) Organizations,Corporation Directors, Activists, Podcast and Site hosts and simple ordinary but VERY AWAKE people

            Your attempts at attacking with intent to do damage to me, are useless but thanks for reading my comments and stimulating me to respond

            Somewhere on Jon’s site there are HONEST, INTELLIGENT, OBJECTIVE DISCERNING individuals who will learn something from me

            Many others have.

            Take care now and………..

            P.S. Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=qPudy9BWa7c

          • And free spirit, where is your outrage over blacks in South Africa murdering and torturing white babies and white Farmers, people who have owned family farming plots for hundreds of years?
            Where is that outrage you yellow spined little bitch? Fuck you and your intolerant, hypocritical Muslim apologies.

            • Freespirit says:

              Actually I don’t agree with the Murders,BUT I do understand.

              It was their land before the Dutch and British invaded Africa and stole (YES,stole) the land, and MURDERED African Blacks who resisted the theft, ,just like Ashkenazi Jews in Israel are doing to Palestinians.and your Ancestors did to the Indigenous,in America under the guise of “Christianity”

              Now the Jews are doing it to you Americans , what your ancestors did to the Indigenous, but MOST Americans are too stupid to realize it and that those Jews are being helped by Trump, either by “accident” or “Design”

              By the way. my Grand fought along side the Boers ( the Dutch) against the British but when he realized the REAL VICTIMS were the black Africans, he returned to Ireland, with fewer Guns ( to fight the British) than were agreed to, as a consequence of, his, in effect breaking an agreement of a gun swap for , his Rebel Irish mates, in exchange for his Military service for the Boers .

              As I said in one of my other comment- “What GOES around COMES around” and for you Americans, it is happening now and soon for the Israeli Jews. If I have my way,we Irish will be helping Hamas and Hezbollah, and sooner than they realize

              We still fly the flag of Palestine, in Dublin

              My answer to your question to me,is, where are you while Americans and their PROXY IDF are in the Middle East, murdering Syrian, Iraqi, Yemeni and unarmed Women and Children ?

              Getting stoned or drunk?

            • Michael Burns says:

              Listen Freespiit, don’t be telling people you’re Irish around here, you’ll get me in shit. Next you’ll be talking about when the priests buggered you…and the truth will get out. Now people know your gay, and all hell breaks loose.

            • truth1 says:

              Why is it that Racism is just fine when blacks do it, but pure evil is whites do it. I don’t think we did it enough! that makes us dumb@$$ed pussies in my book. to put up with hypocrisy shows how evil the status quo is and the left, too.

          • Freespirit says:

            The number of Zionist trolls,like you is proving I am over the TARGET of TRUTH

            Sorry about that.

            Hope you don’t lose any sleep over it….nahh, on second thought ,I hope you do.

  4. truth1 says:

    Well, in my tradition of sunshine, happiness, and optimism and my irrational exuberance for the future, I feel I need to point out that the last thing an introvert wants is an extrovert sitting beside him. In human nature, opposites do not attract. Similars attract each other. Misery loves company, right?

    It is the same with groups and nations of people. We want to live with those who are like us, not those that oppose us or want to change us to them.. Those in power know this. They put opposites together in hopes of destroying both. The sad part here is that God tried thru Daniel to warn us of the ill intentions of those in power at a future time, our time, in mentioning that all of mankind gets mixed together and but not mix well at all. The end result in other predictions is that internal riots and wars will destroy most of mankind. Humanity, if it is anything, is stupid beyond belief to not see what is well underway in this thing called immigration where immigrants are forced down our throats. those in power hate humans. In this way, they reflect the hate of their masters.

    but first, we guts ta meet the aliens and watch them do their magic tricks and convince us we is all spirits/gods and that we is super smart. so Smart that we have allowed the creation of our own demise. We deserve our fate. Fore there is no greater sin, than that of stupidity, which comes from indifference and not caring. You see? I am an optimist 😛

    • honestliberty says:

      Truth, I’m starting to come around to Daniel and Revelations. There is certainly a war upon the individual and those of faith, except Muslims. They are the force the dark ones are using, but in the end they too shall be sorted.

      I have to work in the city right now, got sucked in because I gotta provide for my son and his momma lives in the city. Won’t move out of town, and I won’t ever go without my son. So I’m stuck for now. This city is eating at my soul. It’s pure hedonism and Satanism. The conveniences are not worth the suffocating repression of the individual.

      I need out! But Colorado is the new Kalifornia.
      14 years, dear God let this remain stable for at least 14 more years so I can get to the desert.

      • truth1 says:

        Well, cities are the devil’s playground. I heard Idaho is filling up with Cali refugees and prices are going up cause of it. Problem is, that as everyone continues to migrate from one state to the next. they are going to break every state they go to. That can only last so long. Something is going is going to give. Its just a short matter of time. I have a sense that just possibly, they are going to roll out the aliens, said to be in the Antarctic. Whatever! They will have 3.5 years, assusming their “boss” shows up with them. anyway, a splendid time is guaranteed for all. and I swear I took no drugs or inhaled anything or drank anything before posting this. but I can not guarantee the sound mind. I am wondering if they have changed their script a little. I ma sure there is some flexibility built into it. And their Boss, has his own mind, anyway. I’m am just a mere mortal groping in the dark.

        • honestliberty says:

          I’ve been wondering about blue beam as well; the technology exists.
          Also, I’m still not buying that space x dual landing was legit. There were a few supposed civilian videos from a few miles away, but they too look suspect.
          It looks so damn fake but the problem is that the only coverage claiming it is fake is by flat Earth adherents.
          Three things really struck me:
          1. The space X family cheering/production value was so manufactured
          2. It absolutely looked fake as hell
          3. The video feed cut out at every crucial moment of landing and separation.
          Tesla has lost billions since inception and wouldn’t even be in business if the damn government didn’t steal our money and use it to subsidize alternative energies, while simultaneously jacking up rates for current energy.
          That guy is odd, and I’m not buying into the hype.
          Mr. “You know it’s real because it looks so fake”. This frigging guy is laughing at the population buying into this project blue beam official roll out and hiding the reality in plain sight. Laughing at us to our faces.
          I definitely see the alien invasion horseshit in near future plans. My stupid feed has been saturated with alien stories and theories from MSM (I can’t undo the fucking feeds BTW), since that Elizondo psyop rollout. They always predictively program the population prior to implementation

          • petergrafstrm says:

            Miles W Mathis has outed both Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs as fronts for the oligarchy/mic.
            Mathis seems to have a point. If he is right this illustrates how the power cartel wants to feign the existence of real entrepreneurship/the american dream. Thus for example Apple was simulated to be something emerging from an independent private project in a garage. I think Mathis has convincingly debunked that background.

            • honestliberty says:

              I’ll need to check it out. I’ve been skeptical of that guy for a while. Gates I knew about and Jobs was scum

          • truth1 says:

            I believe most everything we see today is staged and not a real event, though were are told it is. that Swedish women that held up the plane till the let the immigrant off the plane so that he did not have to go back to hell and work. I say that was stages. All the crap going on between the leftist Dem, ah, Dums, and the other loser right. I do believe in blue beam and I don’t believe the Musk landings.

            As I see it, flat earthers are shills that have come good ideas to bolster their credibility, which would suffer too much without some off-setting truth. the trickier ones are those to are like 90 to 95 % truth, while waiting for the signal to go “full: Aliens are here to save us. Yahoo!!” Nothing is real anymore. Why is the government destroying Cali? maybe they want it all for themselves.Maybe N. Cali is their favored location. Nero burned Rome so he could do what he wanted. Why should we be any different in DC-CIA, I mean, not we. I am not part of them, despite the rumors and multiple personalities I carry around, so that I never get lonely.

            but look at it this way. Who could write a comedy that would be as entertaining as what we got for news and events. A 3 ring Circus that would make P T Barnum jealous.

          • paschnn1 says:

            Agree. Yet another telling point in the latest kosher media “genius”, he has been quoted as saying he ADMIRES the pompous ass Edison and “isn’t sure” about Tesla……Hmm.
            That makes about as much sense as we fools paying a KOSHER FOOD TAX!

  5. paschnn1 says:

    TC is one of the many “tentacles” of these mythical secret societies. I would put forth that AT or NEAR the core are the Illuminati and Free Masons. Virtually ALL trace their roots to the Jews’ Cabalah, the DOGMA of same derived from their Torah SheBeal Peh, (Babylonian Talmud);

    Ironic, don’t you think, that the only person/people/nation to EVER recognize the enemy, BAN the enemy and CLOSE DOWN their “temples” is Jewish owned/controlled Hollywood’s favorite “whipping boy” and his people. Hitler and Germany;
    **********
    “Masonic Lodges are established all over the world to help us achieve our independence. Those pigs, the non-Jewish Masons, will never understand the final objects of Masonry.”
    Theodor Herzl
    1897 Switzerland

    Re-posted to RI.

    Thanks Mr. Rappaport.

    • petergrafstrm says:

      Herzl just like later Hitler were dupes. The bright people were the british and they set up the scenario so after fake historians have lied us full it looks like Germany was an independent actor but in reality they as well as the jews were being played. For a full century before the scene was set. Illuminati emerged simultaneously with the breakaway of the Us. In 1776. But hey, european freemasonry was divided with respect to England. So somebody needed a new branch of freemasonry. One associated with the jesuits, with Germany and with a jew- Weisshaupt. Just not with England. How convenient.
      Expect deception, dont underestimate the imperialists.

      • Michael Burns says:

        Your an apologist for Zionism? Is that correct?
        You understand that Freemasonry is Cabalism manifested. Especially to sight. Are you a jew Peter?

        • honestliberty says:

          It seems that way Michael, at least an apologist. He obviously hates Britain, which is fine, they are definitely deserving. His refusal to condemn the actions of Israel and Zionism is telling isn’t it?

          • petergrafstrm says:

            I cant add all my views in every comment. I have frequently condemned Israel, their false flags in particular those against Argentina falsely blamed on Iran. Moreover I dont hate anybody. The British population is innocent. Also concerning zionism. It is just as evil as nazism. And Britain created both. And you may add christian zionism which was created by John Nelson Darby who imposed it on the evangelicals during the Palmerston era. The ‘rapture’ was Darby’s invention. It is presently used by the globalists to brainwash people in Africa and Latin America to accept dramatic changes.
            Every jewish organisation which presently draws indignition in the Us is an outgrowth from B’nai B’rit which in turn was an outgrowth from scottish rite. The question is: does britain still call the shots in america, like they intended during Palmerstons period?
            Few people seem to be aware of how several British elite activists encouraged and guided the neocons from the 1990s and on. The British neoimperialists where Niall Fergusson wasnt hiding his enthusiasm for empirebuilding is said to have excerted influence on Cheney and Rumsfield also in connection with the 2nd Gulf war.
            But I suppose it might be a hoax to speak of building something when in reality what they did was to tear down and weaken. Of course Israel has a strong overlapping interest either way. I mean either collaborating with Us/Uks puppet regimes or in the event that failed states was the real aim to gain momentum by using the mentioned weakness.
            But since Israel was a British colonial project from the beginning and since Britain destroyed the chances for jews to assimilate in Europe the jews cannot be accused of having planned it from the beginning. Instead they seem to be doing roughly what Britain originally intended. To enlarge the bufferstate. And functioning as a proxy to control the Us.

            • honestliberty says:

              Well this seems to be a more reasoned approach to what I read earlier, and I’m sure there is much in there to read. My buddy was consistently discussing how the evidence suggested much of what you are discussing and I’ve wondered whether elite Jews were really in control or just thought they were. I need to continue researching but honestly I’m trying to start a distillery so that’s going to take the meat of my energy the next few years.

        • petergrafstrm says:

          The freemasons themselves are from the ruling circles. Freemasonry from the beginning of the scottish rite had that symbolism you mention but apparently there were no jewish members initially. That can be interpreted either way. 1) the gentiles felt it would make it easier to make the jews feel close to them so the jews wouldnt suspect what was going on in the lodges where jews werent members. 2) Alternatively the gentiles didnt know where it came from and the jews conditioned them to be prepared for later being enslaved.

          Your question insinuates that I would be biased if I answered yes.
          Isnt that so. In other words you dont trust any facts without checking for a persons ancestry. That kind of logic defers intelligent conversion. In particularly on the web where there is sometimes a very immature and hostile athmosphere.
          [After reading the continuation I hope you understand why I usually dont point people to my background]
          But I will answer. My mother is a jewess. She never talked about it until at 17, I made a joke about the jews. And she still doesnt tell other people in sofar as I have heard. She may be embarrassed after all I told her about the jewish role in banking and revolutions.
          But none of this has had even the slightest consequence for anything I write on the web. And my insight about Englands conspiracy against world came rather recently. And even more recently I discovered that the jews were among Englands targets. Should I avoid to mention that when, long before I have defended Germany’s innocence without knowing anything about what England did to covertly fight the jews. And also overtly inside Germany. When you learn the full truth about Houston Chamberlain you will begin to get the picture. But it all began more than a century before.
          Further it might sound odd when I tell you both my grandfathers were Hitler-admirers. On mothers side grandfather even grew a Hitler moustache to celebrate Hitler the saviour of the jews. No kidding.
          On my fathers side grandfather was a member of the local nazi party.
          He prevented one of his daughters to hang out with a jew, saying there were too many jew-kids born.
          Later I myself had som nazi items like a 40 cm swastiska and nazi march records. Not because I was in even the slightest degree a nazi. Think Monty Python. But that didnt save me from years of persecution with suspicions of being a nazi terrorist. Because of a suspicious homebuilt timer looking like set to bomb the swedish king. I mean with the most creative interpretation and you know some intel folks have that. I left fingerprints on an earlier version of such a timer at a scene where the police commented about it. That newspaper article was cleansed from the archives so the authorities clearly took it seriously. Another reason was my rifle. Very timely (for those concerned with continued spying on me) an unknown sniper created worries in sweden, shooting immigrants.
          Same calibre as my gun. For long distance assassinations a very inefficient type: calibre .22 long. But the similarity was good for suspecting me for the same type of terrorism.
          Anyway I never became a free citizen after that. Its even much much much worse than I tell you here.
          In the end I hate nobody and in so far as I am able I hope the historical truth will set people free. But if it is important for you to blame everything England did on the jews, the truth will not be kind to you. 19th century history and before and after has been completely distorted in Englands interest.

          • Michael Burns says:

            “Few people seem to be aware of how several British elite activists encouraged and guided the neocons from the 1990’s and on.” PeterG

            The Neocons: Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz are among the protegé that were fostered by Andrew W. ”Yoda” Marshall (now 96 years old).

            Marshall the infamous foreign policy strategist — who was the first appointed by Nixon in 1973 and remained in the hierarchy of America deep state until 2015 — a remarkable 42 years.

            He was first director of the United States, Department of Defense – Office of Net Assessment (ONA). Yoda is of the Rand Corporation, in the Group that held others like Schlesinger, Ellsberg, Herman Kahn. The ONA is a deep state Pentagon think tank, that devises strategy of war for 20 to 30 years in the future.

            The socialist based Straussians are a sub set to the Mashallites… and both have been highly influential in Conservatism, and the extreme Neo-Conservative thought in Universities, on activists, think tank professionals and public intellectuals. Abram Shulsky, Wolfowitz, Susan Sontag, are but a few, in our cultural past whom formed the basis of what we reap today.

            Israel was not a colonial project! Britain did not destroy the Jewish chance for assimilation in Europe. The jews did that themselves, as they have been despised and driven out of every country that they have ever existed in… The ideas of exploitive usury and as they consider themselves God’s chosen, and the Goy as despised by God, were some of the things that initiated this dislike of them. In many places they have been driven out and this fosters the ideal in them, that they are persecuted. And hated by the rest of mankind. Which furthers the idea of Goyim in Judaism.

            Palestine was a possible homeland —  others were looked at within the three land zones the British controlled –Palestine was not the focus. Except with Zionists.  A solution was being looked at– Jerusalem and Palestine  is a Zionist want/need — Balfour and the Zionist Rothschild came to this with the Balfour Declaration, which is not in any way a legal document or an agreement.

            In Quigley’s tome…we find.

            ‘ McMahon Pledge’ to Sherif Hussein and the, Sykes-Picot Agreement.Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild (1868-1937) — backed by German and Austrian Zionist organizations –was the leading figure in British Zionist movement mandate, ‘ a Jewish homeland’.The Zionist movement was stronger, more powerful in Austria and Germany than it was in Britain.Balfour agreed with Rothschild to use his best endeavours to a homeland in Palestine or some other place, it was clearly understood that the Palestinians/non Jews where not be interfered with, prejudiced against on their civil rights to religion or their way of life, they were distinct. Or the rights of Jews living in any other country.The Balfour Agreement which was used to progress the Jewish homeland, was neither an agreement or a promise — simply a unilateral declaration. It  did not promise a homeland in Palestine, or even Palestine as a home for JewsSherif Hussein, wishing a Palestine for Palestinians, are the Ottoman displacement, was distressed and asked for explanation of Balfour…D.G. Hogarth on behalf of Britain said, “Jewish settlement in Palestine would only be allowed in so far as would be consistent with the political and economic freedom fo the Arab population.” Hussein accept this apparently, but doubts continues.When questioned by seven Arab leaders June 16, 1918 –Britain public answer was to divide Arab lands up into three parts: (a) The Arabian peninsula from Aden to Akabah for the complete and sovereign independence of the Arabs, (b) The area under British rule from Palestine to southern Mesopotamia — government “on the consent of the governed” (c) the area under Turkish rule, Syria and northern Mesopotamia britain assumed the obligation to strive for “freedom and independence”Sykes-Picot Agreement: Secret agreements in comparison to altruistic publicly issued statements.Hussein’s negotiations with McMahon resulted in his Arab revolt against Turkey for 225,000 pounds per month from British elite.

            “Freemasonry from the beginning of the Scottish rite had that symbolism you mention but apparently there were no Jewish members initially.” -PeterG

            Jews are dominant in the hierarchy of British Freemasonry. Scottish rite is an appendant body of the higher order. They were the Antients, and Jews were dominant in the Antients. Nathan Rothschild, a Zionist, the son of Mayer was a member of the Premier Grand Lodge of England. Which stood head and shoulders above any Scottish rite. Where Royal Princes and Lords practiced their rite.

            “Your question [insinuates] sic that I would be biased if I answered yes.” – PeterG

            …seems like a perfectly understandable question, cut and dried —  to the point. No insinuation here, I wasn’t being subtle or covert. Yes it would be a bias. Objective consciousness, if ever really achieved at all in debate is a difficult stance for most. To try to defeat  one’s own argument with harsher truths is sound logic. A Jew supporting Judaism is an important cultural bias to his logic, and bias has a point of slipping with the truth, slanting the evidence no matter how much integrity, and objectivity the speaker feels he has towards the point of contention. Wherein the mind argument in making in this case, is molded by Jewish thought, Jewish consciousness.  But in the end you did not answer the question but simply deferred this to the matter of your mothers ancestry as a weak fallacious argument aimed at emotional sentimentality…the apologist again.  Valiant as that may be, to support and defend a mothers belief. Maybe that can lead as sutle example of the former part of what I speak here Peter.

            We are all biased in our opinions, some realizing more than others. I, must look at the possibility that my argument is driven by hatred, driven by racism. These obstacles to the truth, service to sharpen an intelligent mind. Objectivism only proves that reality is mind dependent. And, in knowing that, one’s reality is in fact dominant by what is being argued…and so we spin a tale.

            Again I say, are ‘you’ a Jew apologising for Jews?

            • petergrafstrm says:

              No I am completely unbiased and not apologetic regarding jews more than regarding any other. However like I mentioned I only discovered Britains unsuspected yet very longdrawn and clever covert subversion of the jews quite recently. Before that I kept defending Germany for having been innocently drawn into two world wars they never wanted. ( Once Hitler was inserted this ceased to be true but it wasnt the germans who inserted him and Britain later saved Hitler from the german generals in 1938) I did this without any particular angle with respect to the jews. However as I learnt about the rest, would you suggest I keep a low profile about that because of my partial ancestry? I dont think you would make such a claim for in that case it would signify a bias AGAINST the jews. And simultaneously a quite substantial bias against the germans as well.
              Your own attitude however does spell pro-british bias. Out of ignorance so far. And that is the only bias which exists here since the truth about Britain is much more wellprotected. You would only throw yourself against an open door if you look for things jewish that I would defend.
              Your comment contains a passage where you deny that Israel was a British colonial project. You are totally wrong. It was just that and everything connected with it was a creation of the British. The b’nai b’rit ,Zionism, evangelical christian zionism and nazism. Likewise the coopting of the jews as activists. The British wanted a buffer state in Palestine to stop the advancements of France and the expected advancements of Russia. But it took a couple of decades and Napoleon was gone when the project materialised. And by that time Bulwer Lytton an associate of Palmerston was up and running. Or maybe he was a front for a group of intel-authors what do I know. In any case he provided Rickard Wagner with material for his successful opera Rienzi, which much later inspired Hitler. The narrative concerns a 13th century germanic hero fighting courrupt jewish nobility. And an important detail is that Rienzi just like Siegfried loses in the end. Hitler who spent his last pfennigs (or whatever type of coins they had back then) to enjoy Wagners operas was seemingly prepared to fight a loosing battle. And enjoy the apocalypse almost as much as the victory.
              He hardly tried to spare his troops when the situation became hopeless.
              Paulus capitulated before they were completely annihilated.
              Many died in captivity but had the military been like Hitler not one would be left alive.
              Other British authors virtually created Wagners political prose, such as Thomas Carlyle, who also invented the concept of ‘lethal chambers’.
              I skip Bulwer Lyttons later feats.
              In an other passage you suggest that the British didnt prevent jewish assimilation. You are completely wrong about that as well. Houston Chamberlain, who, despite his major role, is absent in court historians accounts of how nazism came about, which in itself is very telling, spent his life as a British agent of influence in Germany encouraging both genocide on the jews and urged the germans to forbid the jews to assimilate in germany. He was the pathbreaker and visionary of nazism in the leading nazis own words. I dont blame you for being ignorant about it. You are in good company with most other people. Historians are propagandists. But you see the British weren’t just creating nazism.
              They were cleverly also infiltrating the german cultural elite. It was this Chamberlain who brought Wagners true meanings to a wider german audience. Knowing full well that as these things might later be exposed, the germans would have a motive for protecting Britains part of it. And the plan worked and hence your ignorance about it. So the military is the party being most openly reproached concerning Generalplan Ost relating to the massdeportations of the slavs and the shootings of 800 thousand jews until nov 1942.
              I mention that detail because there are plenty of commenters on the web who dont even know about it despite it being confirmed by a conservative german historian. It isnt really my main concern since Germany has already been punished in so many ways. But the ignorance of many rather arrogant commenters should be a concern since it makes it easier for the evil angloamerican empire to recruite useful fools fighting russia.
              That is a valid concern for bringing it up. And Israel is siding with all evil radicals the empire conjurs up for the geopolitical agenda. So pretending there was no genocide on the jews paradoxically helps Israels current rogue regime in their cooperation with the angloempire.

            • Michael Burns says:

              “Your own attitude however does spell pro-british.”

              No, in fact I had a bias against the British. I am Belfast Catholic by birth. The real Irish have been oppressed continually by the Brits for centuries. But the nature of where I was raised, does not make me only Irish. I have lived most of my life as a Canadian and therefore…

              You emphasis Chamberlain again? To consider Houston Chamberlain an Englishman and thus the mentor of Nazis and Nazism, giving credence to your conclusion that Nazism is an invention of the British — purely by country of his birth along.

              Houston Chamberlain by no other count was a German through and through, more German than those born in that wretched country at that time. Born a Brit, but sent to France to be taken care of by his Grandmother, after the death of his mother —  he was there until he was eleven. Brought back to England to be groomed and trained in a boarding school, which catered to those advancing to a military career. He spent only a couple of years there. He felt trapped in England, he yearned for past days before the Industrial revolution. A merry ole England. Those time were imagined in his mind to serve as a Balkan for his feeling. To say he hated England, it is to be kind here — he was not an agent.

              Houston Chamberlain:

              “The fact may be regrettable but it remains a fact; I have become so completely un-English that the mere thought of England and the English makes me unhappy.” — 

              “In the eyes of God all men, indeed all creatures, may be equal: but the divine law of the individual is to maintain and to defend his individuality.” 

              “[…]yet I think that we are inclined to under-estimate our own powers and to exaggerate the importance of the Jewish influence. Hand in hand with this goes the perfectly ridiculous and revolting tendency to make the Jews the general scapegoat for all the vices of our time[…]” 

              Houston left England and being sickly most of his life, moved to spas throughout Europe because of that ill-health. He was accompanied by a Prussian tutor, he settled in Florence for a while. He studied at the University of Vienna, and under Carl Vogt at the University of Geneva. He was everything but English, he was everywhere but England, he despised the place. He lived in Italy and Greece. He loathed the English for the jingoism of the time. Chamberlain was a Germanophile. He even tried to join the German army in the WW1. He was buried in Bayreuth, Germany in January 1927. He joined the Nazi party after its inception and founding, was dead before it came to it final fruition and the war.

              “He was the pathbreaker and visionary of nazism in the leading nazis own words. ”

              Absolutely wrong, the Nazi party is born out of the ideals of the German Worker’s Party ( DAP Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) the ‘Antecedent’ of the Nazi party. The Nazi party is the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (NSDAP). Founded by Drexler and Hitler.

              The DAP was formed By Anton Drexler, a worker, a machine-fitter, a locksmith who also worked for German railway. An artist and poet who was a member of the volkisch movement. A Romantic movement that sought the folklorist past of Germany. And not what they lived with the decadence and sheer misery that the Versailles Treaty had created in Germany — not the defeated first world war Germany that was parasitized by Wall Street Jew bankers and the Zionist German Jews living in Germany at that time.  

              The ‘Young Plan’ of 132 billion gold marks owed, was set with an annual payment of 2 billion gold marks ($473 million) in two components. and all this incurred interest by a consortium of investment banks coordinated by none other that J.P. Morgan & Co. This debt could never ever be paid off. And was none other that exploitive usury. The financial misery that it placed on the average citizen was beyond reproach. The hyperinflation impossible to control. The result of all this was the formation of the infamous Bank for International Settlements. And the crash of 29.

              Those reparation payments were finally paid out to the US by Germany in 2010.

              You have to remember that Zionism was strongest in Austria and Germany.

              The anti-semitism grew out of the likes of Fritz Lenz, Edwin Baur, and Eugen Fisher of  the Kaiser Willhelm Institute of Anthropology, human heredity and eugenics. They were trying to prove it scientifically.

              The Nazi party leader is useless without the support of Alfred Hugenberg money — the industrialists Fritz Thyssen, Krupp and the paramilitaries Seldte, Duesterberg…

              You must know that the Nazi parties anti-semitism grew out of a hatred of a class of people who feed of the reparations imposed after Versailles. They were not Germans — they were separated from Germany by choice — they did not want to be German — they did not care for Germany, they could only care for its break down and end, they were Zionist Jews.

              The unmanageable inflation and impossible task of paying war restitution, placed such misery and hunger on the German people at large. It laid the ground work for a second world war. The parasitic nature of the Zionist mind, exploiting that misery. Neighbouring countries shipping their mad, their fools; their gypsies; invalids, and mentally decrepid and unwanted to Germany by the trainload, weakening it at every turn. The governments of France and Belgium exploiting Germany industry.

              The hardship, the crime and shear decadence that was taking hold of the German Nation. Gambling, disease, prostitution, drug addiction, pornography — avarice and the exploitive usury — the break down of institutions and the spiritual and moral decay. The break down of the average German citizen, loosing hope and dreaming of the a past. The numbers of German soldiers, and German citizens, executed, starved and genocided after the war is only estimated and of no interest to anyone it seems…the Aktion T4 mass murder of german people. 

              The holocaust truth — the number can never be understood. The six million number has been used many times to support propaganda. The Holocaust is an industry now in present day. They sell t-shirts and key rings and coffee cups. That only one race of people be acknowledged for their loss. And that, that number be branded into our souls minds forever, and that to question it is to be anti-semitic, punished in Canada, Germany amongst other countries. As a denier of that Holocaust propaganda.

              How many Jews that died during the Holocaust were pure jew, practicing Jews — or had a Jew in their heritage or ancestry, a Jew that lived in the house, how many who died married Jews? How many were goyim befriending Jews? How many were just invalids and decrepid? How many were accused of being Jews, were in actuality, not Jewish?

              The total loss of life determined after the second world war was 60 million world citizens. Russia which defeated the Nazis in the second world war, lost 26.6 million Russian people. There is 5 to 6 million Polish dead. The Chinese estimated of 2005 is 20 million dead. The Japanese dead 2.3 to 3.1 million?

              There were 2 million Rwandan dead in that genocide; how about the Anasazi in 800 BCE; Tammerlane — the killing fields of Cambodia under the Kymer Rouge, 3 million; Holodomor 7.5 million; Kazakh 1.75 million; Armenian 1.5 million; Bangaldesh 3 million; the Greek, Syrian, Albigensian the list goes on.

            • petergrafstrm says:

              Pro-british bias is an unavoidable consequence of ignorance. It is absolutely true that leading nazis saw Chamberlain the way i wrote. Its in Goebbels own diaries. And Himmler writes that Chamberlain taught him about the jews. Check out the irish edition of Manuel Sarkisyanz book Hitlers English inspirers.
              (Incidentally my new copy of that irish ed had a strange smell and maybe there was a mundane explanation but I know there are cases of murder by book for instance targeting the entourage of the English monarchy in the 1500s. I dont blame you if you think I’m paranoid but I just wanted to warn you just in case to read it with good ventilation)
              Your view of Chamberlain is a consequence of Britains hiding of their deep state manueverings. What you describe is the covering up of an agent of influence similar to Lawrence of Arabia. Both went native, which was necessary to have the wanted impact. Do you doubt that this all made sense for having the desired effect? I think you do, however that doesnt prevent that Chamberlain could have been genuine. The deep state however as well covered in Docherty & Macgregors treatise of the preamble of the WWI, was in full control everywhere where it mattered. I conclude that they would NEVER have allowed Chamberlain to go on like he did if that wasnt deep state policy.
              Only when Carroll Quigleys books became known was the later phases of deep state operation exposed generations after it was running full trottle unknown to most. But the whole 19th centuries is full of it. Webster Tarpley’s against oligarchy gives a good overview of an otherwise covered up yet extremely decisive era. All upheavals controlled from London by proxy.
              And the picture you paint of nazism covers the later stages when Britains other agents of influence had already set things in motion from the roots.
              The cults associated with Bulwer Lyttons work. You see not only did he have a significant influence over the earlier phases of Rickard Wagners career, but when Bismarck emancipated the jews in 1869, he published on the coming race, clearly an effort to stimulate what was to come. And the still peddled myths about nazis aliens ufos and underground mysteries in Antarctica draw inspiration from Lytton.
              Bismarck was sacked by the young inexperienced William II. And it was his relative the devious Prince of Wales Edward who manipulated Wilhelm. Bismarck before embarking of the unification of Germany contacted the Rothschilds and asked for advice concerning his financing. A delicate issue for R since they financed Bs then enemy in the Austrian Hungarian empire. But he directed B to Bleichroeder. And B therefore had jewish bankers supporting his struggle. Bleichroeder and Oppenheim.
              Chamberlain came at the right time to twart any approach between jewish banking and the industrious germans. He managed to influence Wilhelm against the jews. This is why it was so important for Britain to prevent jewish assimilation in Germany.
              The fact that the jews dominate banking the way that is the case today is different from how it was historically. In the previous they were often debtcollectors for the mighty. After the British empire rose banking evolved into a near monopoly for that empire. This was emphasised to an extreme degree when the FED was established. But the main thing about it is monopoly. In a truly multipolar world, banking ceases to be such an insanely priviledged activity that has made the angloamericans into a huge fat parasite where production wasnt a necessity. This perverse situation would not have materialised if Germany had been free to do peaceful trade. In that case the bankers would have had to join Germany if they wanted a piece of the action otherwise they would have been overrun by an independent german currency backed by real achievements. It was this perspective that frightened the British imperialists and made them covertly undermine the jews on the continent. Since they knew this early on and wanted to use the jewish networks in Britains but nooneelsess interest, Britain was the only party who was strongly motivated to bring about everything connected with zionism and nazism.

            • Michael Burns says:

              The 1st political victory of the Nazi party, was the September, 1930 German elections.

              Chamberlain, although a anti-Semite (sic), was a racist against England and the English. The man although, he might have played a very little part, in Nazism, had no connection to the rise of the NSDAP, or its precurser DAP, the Nazi party and Adolf Hitler. There is nothing to support any of which you speak. He did not even create the idea of Nazism. The basis of that ideology existed before him, in the idea of the High German.

              You have, hearsay, conjecture of the time, mentionings, associations, maybe the ‘Bayreuther Kreis’, and it’s ridiculous publication ‘Bayreuther Blatter’ and from this you have extrapolated to Houston Chamberlain being a, what? Spy? A Lawrence of Arabia figure lol. So secret and so hidden in layers that the truth of his deviousness, is hidden until today.

              The real truth of the matter is: he was a very weak man, both body and spirit — looking for a place, he was very much a life long victim personality. Victimized first by his heritage and his military father; vacant of his mothers love, which he did not know — she died when he was one year old. He could not match up to the requirements of his aristocracy. His father wanted a military career for him. He unable to oblige was a sickly man his whole life Peter.

              The ‘Gleichschaltung’ (Nazification) did not really get into full swing until 1933. At the earliest 1930, just after the election. The preliminaries were laid earlier, but the extremes showed up later. 

              The Nazi ideas — if you could call them that, for the Nazi party had not truly formed yet, prior to Houston Chamberlain death in January of 1927 — the ideas of Bayreuth and the 1920’s is not the Nazism that took power in 1030.  They are totality different ideas.

              Bayreuth was known for its anti-Semitism, and high German arrogances of being Arayan, not Nazi. Chamberlain was a recent convert through his marriage to Eva Wagner in 1908, Chamberlain had adopted that peculiar fanatical form of German nationalism. Ever present in Bayreuth. Why? Again position, he could not be what England and his father wanted, but his racist ideas brought him closer to Cosima Wagner, who beheld him as a son.  And she was a powerful and respected woman. And he reveled in that — you must understand that Houston’s mother died early in life, he was without a mother, his spiritiual adoption by Cosima — who treated and loved him like her son, was highly influential of Chamberlain. He really had arrived at his own, who would say and do what ever was needed to further that acceptance. He was in the ‘home of his soul’. He became a German citizen in 1916. But he was by his physical ailment, and spiritual declination a lesser to these powerful German egos that surrounded him.

              Bayreuth at that time was very much the realm of the ‘Mistress of Bayreuth’ : Cosima Wagner. And the ant-semitic ideas of Bayreuth are at its heart because of the Wagners.

              Members of a Hitlerian Bayreuth: Cosima Wagner, Winifred Wagner, H S Chamberlain, Eva Chamberlain, Ludwig Schemann, there is no evidence to say that Chamberlain and Winnifred had any part in the rise of Hitler and the party, or any influence on him when he obtained it. For they both were dead — Chamberlain a full five years before the Nazi party election to power — Chamberlain died in 1927, Winnifred Wagner in 1930. Chamberlain spent a number of years prior to his death in serious bad health. Unable to do anything.

              The Bayreuth Kreis was dominated by the character of Ludwig Schemann, one of the most important and influential racial theorists of the Imperial and the Weimar.

              Schemann translated Joseph Arthur, Comte de Gobineau’s scientific book on racism: Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races. Gobineau was not a anti-Semite but a philosemite. Lol But those racial ideas of his were changed and formed the scientific anti-Semitism of Nazism in Germany. Schemann formed the Gobineau Society which formerly promoted his ideas around Germany. He was close to Cosima who was furthering her husbands ideas as well, about the race and the Aryan High German.

              In 1937 Hitler awarded The Goethe medal for ‘services to the nation and race’ to Ludwig Schemann. Incidently Eva Chamberlain (Eva Maria von Bulow) was awarded the Golden Party Badge by Hitler himself, these badges were worn on uniforms, only 1,795 women were awarded this badge. Out of 22,000 given out. She was also given an honorary funeral by the NSDAP. She was of more importance than her dead husband…

              Hitler attended Chamberlain’s funeral in 1927. But no such honours or badges were awarded Houston, even posthumously. Hitler listened to his ideas, but was not greatly influenced by him. Moreso by Rosenberg, Drexler, Eckart, the party men. But yet you claim Chamberlain as an arch spy who went native. And was fully responsible in mentoring Nazis.

              “Do you doubt that this all made sense for having the desired effect? I think you do, however that doesn’t ( sic) prevent that Chamberlain could have been genuine.”

              …’could have been’ ?

              “He managed to influence Wilhelm against jews”

              The Kaiser needed no help with his anti-semitism, it was very well grounded in that obstenant and bombastic figure whole was an intolerable blowhard. His influence if there ever was any, was Edward, his English cousin. He believed in the pogroms and felt Jews should be gassed, that they were being supported by English Freemasons. And were ruining Germany. He hated the Nazis and thought they were Gangsters — Hitler despised the Kaiser and blamed him for Germanys problems.

              The evidence is stacking against your thesis Peter. I will not present anymore.

              In the end Chamberlain was a minor figure in it all.

            • petergrafstrm says:

              I move the answer to a wider column on this page

  6. the postman says:

    Despite that I knew nothing about any specific plan of Trilateralists to abolish national borders, in 2000, I predicted that this would happen. From the standpoint of a U.S. citizen, arriving at this conclusion was obvious. Populations inside of the U.S. had already been plummeting and immigration was needed in order to help hide this fact from the American people (not to mention re-fill the “gas chamber” that is our so-called “healthcare” system with new meat–an overall concept of replenishment via immigration that I refer to as the “sink-drain model of genocide”). It was just a minor step to go from our having porous borders to having none at all. And of course, I was aware of the elite’s push to attain their “new world order” and more importantly, I was aware of their ***Malthusian*** conspiracy which history shows began over two centuries ago–as I’ve been carefully documenting it for almost two decades now (see: http://truthbetold.strangled.net/). And that’s what *all* of this is about–one huge Malthusian conspiracy. Be it rampant abortions; uncontrolled immigration; destruction of Christianity, the conservative right and the family unit; forced vaccinations; perpetual wars; lack of employment; fake healthcare; promotion of fake news, swiss cheese history and pseudo science; the unleashing of disinformation everywhere; the destruction of Western culture–it’s all about bringing about a drastic decline in human populations world-wide and Western society is very much in the cross hairs due to the elite’s hatred of Western values, culture, etc. To the elite, Western society as we’ve known it has been little more than a convenient tool needed by them to be used against us and now that tool is no longer needed and in fact, it represents the only real threat to their plans moving forward. The elite are in a race against time and they’ve bet everything on this massive, long-term conspiracy of theirs in order to win that race. Make no mistake about it: they are winning both that race as well as their war against us and You and I are losing this war for the most fundamental of all reasons: because we as a society fail to simply understand not only who our enemy is, but much more importantly, what truly motivates them. It’s kind of like in the movie, “The Edge,” except now, it’s humanity itself that’s dying of shame. Are we really going to allow this to happen to us?

    • spirit says:

      Postman, who our enemy is? – please be specific. What truly motivates them? I want to know who are “them” and what their ultimate goal is.
      The answer provided by Jon is not satisfying because TC is just one of many faces of this beast…I don’t want to talk about faces (TC, Free Masons, Iluminati, Rotchilds, Rockefellers, Zionists, Soros, EU, Banking families, Governments, etc.), I want to talk about the beast.
      Beast is invisible but very much real.

    • honestliberty says:

      Postman, don’t forget to leave out the attack on carbon, though co2 Boogeyman, 666 protons, neutrons, electrons… Carbon is life, they are dark occultists, they hate life, so attack it directly and get humans to self cull by accepting the lie and voting for unreliable energy (wind and solar). In the coming cold spell, access to cheap energy will be limited and a great many humans will perish.
      It’s a disgusting effective con, as most believers have no idea how corrupt and false the narrative around CAGW is at its core.

      It’s very disturbing.
      Spirit… Who are they? House of Rothschild, Rockefellers, Zionist, tons of Jews, Muslims, Chase Manhattan, Merlke, Trudeau, Epstein Podesta, Zuckerberg, CIA elite, Mossad, MI6,
      Obama, Clinton, Bush Sr., Morgan, Stanley, Carnegie, Dupont, royal crown, royalty across the world, Saudi oil conglomerate families, highest level finance and insurance folks, politicians, deep state bureaucrats, many police and military from low level to highest officials.

      Have you seen that tunnel ceremony in the Alps?
      The paintings at DIA airport?
      The 911 disgusting abyss memorial at ground zero?
      Georgia guide stones?
      And on and on around the world..
      America the beautiful park in Colorado springs, and it’s dark occult connection to the house on top of pikes peak?
      Blade and chalice, with Shining light atop The mountain. I lived in the springs. Except it’s not the light side but the dark side of the occult. The highway, I-25 wraps around A the B park like the eye of Horus, with the full picture coming into view with the design of the park.
      Big time Satanism down there in the heart of Western fundamental Christianity.

      This is Satanism, pure unbridled hatred of humanity because they hate themselves. The list is much more than that but it comes to mind easily, so I listed the most obvious offenders. They would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven.

      I highly suggest listening to the first 100 or so Mark Passio podcasts, he really dials in much of it. Figuring out the exact people involved doesn’t take much work, you just need to look at them and listen to what they say. They don’t even try to hide their tell

      • honestliberty says:

        Also, many Christians, if not most, are Christian in name only. They are in practice and effect, satanists as well. Can’t leave them out. Unfortunately, there is only a small handful of humans that care about humanity and morals like we do, even if we infight amongst ourselves. The road is wide and smooth, and we will be surprised when we ever the kingdom how few of us there are…
        Basically those passages I just butchered for brevity are stating the obvious reality about our species.

        Few genuinely care, few strive to align with natural law and the spirit, few have enough constitution to remain moral in light of easy propositions, few desire to search for truth and align themselves. Jesus is the way the truth and the life not because he was the son of God as is claimed (which is I recall he never did), but because he embodied natural moral law and the alchemical wedding of the human experience. Sacred masculine (blade) meets sacred feminine (chalice).
        All this, esoteric, but nonetheless very real when understood and put in practice.

        As I think, so I feel, thus I act. Complete Harmony in thought, emotion, and action.
        Holy Trinity. Truth. Un-divided. Without division. That is how one aligns with and “knows”the Creator.

        I keep talking about all this but yet I’m still terribly divided due to emotional immaturity. I have much hatred for those who inflict suffering and I want them to suffer without reprieve. I’m not sure I’ll get to the next passage, if there is one, until I can transcend those emotions. But then again, why should anyone have any other reaction to evil?

  7. From Quebec says:

    And this is why they frantically want to get rid of Trump. He knows all of their secrets and plots and he is determine to screw up their evil plan.

    This is why peoples have to stick with Trump. even if they don’t like his personality.

    He is the real deal. the elephant in the room If he is successful in Making America great again, and he is well on the way, there goes their diabolical plan.

    They lose, he wins, the whole world wins.

  8. flyingcuttlefish says:

    J. R. – FYI, I am starting on the newer MKULTRA document dump –
    http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/
    … and am posting what I find about these unethical LSD experiments in the 50s here –
    https://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2018/08/19/payoffs-from-cia/

    Very worth reading as it shows how these ‘doctors’ fall over themselves to cooperate with the CIA and provide (not too many visitors, relatives) mental patients to be drugged and followed in secret experiments.

  9. Ricky Bob Cleetus says:

    Both wings of the Uniparty are majority TLC or CFR. They might create their highly overrated Tower of Babel 2.0 but it won’t end well for anyone.
    This fun thing called unintended consequences will rear its beautiful head.
    They better hope the bunkers are deep and the Praetorian guards never bail out when the checks no longer cash.

  10. Abe says:

    The ‘TRILOGY’.
    MOVIE 1 [Full]: The ‘START’
    PLOT: How the intelligence apparatus, State Dept, and Dept of “JUSTICE” of the United States, in joint effort w/ our (x) primary foreign allies + other covert assets, as directed by HUSSEIN [WH] in coordination w/ HRC, colluded and conspired to RIG THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2016 in an effort to install HRC, frame POTUS (PROJECTION!), create emergency contingencies re: installation of SAFEGUARDS and FIREWALLS to PREVENT EXPOSURE OR CONTINUATION OF PRESIDENCY SHOULD COUNTER FAIL TO ENSURE OPERATORS, ACTORS, AGENTS OF POWER, PAST & PRESENT, REMAIN IN CONTROL, AND USE SOURCES/COVERT ASSETS OF THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA TO CARRY OUT X-FRAME BARRAGE OF STRATEGIC COORDINATED [GUIDED] ATTACKS DESIGNED TO DIVIDE, COVER/SHELTER, JUSTIFY IMPEACHMENT/REMOVAL IN EFFORT TO REGAIN CONTROL AND PREVENT PUBLIC AWARENESS OF ILLEGAL, CRIMINAL, TREASONOUS ACTS [MOVIES 1-3 FULL LIST].
    Coming SOON to a theater near you.
    MOVIE 2 – Coming this FALL.
    MOVIE 3 – TBA
    Enjoy the show.
    Q
    […]

  11. From Quebec says:

    You Americans are so lucky to have elected President Trump, who is about as anti-new world order socialist as you can get

    Remember that without the USA, the NWO can not be.

    • truth1 says:

      I have seen Trump flash Illuminati hand signs, to say nothing of Simpsons predictions. I don’t see that much difference tween him and the past.

      • From Quebec says:

        tI have seen Trump flash Illuminati hand signs (ruth1)

        Hey truht 1, get real. Stop that insanity. This is pure hysteria. How old are you?

        If Trump was part of the Illuminati, for sure he would not show it with hand signs in front of 20 thousand people at his rallies and on every Television screen, This is so ridiculous

        What is it that Americans are so obsessed about Trump hands, remember they said his hands were small… lol.

        • truth1 says:

          No one wants to imagine that simple signs can reveal so much. but the danger is, that if the signs are real, and once ignores them, Where might he find himself when the unthinkable happens. I take signs and signals seriously.

  12. Freespirit says:

    For “honestliberty says who was too COWARDLY to even leave a REPLY button, to allow me to respond to your rather very Infantile comment, ANd for proving to me that you cannot “Grow Up”

    Oh, by the way, I am NOT Muslim, not that it would make any difference to an American Zionist BIGOT like yourself . I ‘ll bet you love what those FAKES in Israel, are doing to the Palestinians, who are the TRUE SEMITES

    Since your ancestor’s INVASION of the Americas, you have always found people and EXCUSES to hate, beginning with the Indigenous. I hope that word “Indigenous” is not to big for you.

    The good News- The same Hateful violent BIGOTRY is only starting to happen to you and yours and is called “What GOES around, COMES around” but I ‘m sure you will call it Liberalism, Left, Communism or some other word which satisfies your IGNORANCE……any word but the TRUE word – Zionism all caused by “Divide and rule”

    Enjoy what is coming 🙂

    Take care now

    • From Quebec says:

      I do not know if you are an American or not, but if you hate the USA so much, why don’t you move to Palestine, since you like those barbarians so much.

      • Quebec, don’t fall for it. This person is clearly paid to do this. COINTELPRO is alive and well:

        https://steemit.com/psychology/@ura-soul/how-to-identify-paid-trolls-and-anti-activist-agents-online-huge-list-of-tips-here

        BTW.. would you at least agree regardless of whether you agree with someones core values, once they initiate violence upon another person they have violated them?

        • truth1 says:

          I checked out the article you linked. it seems to address real activists movements, which I think are a waste of time.

          As for influencing people. most people are too stupid to know in their gut, what it or is not, or what is right or wrong. They will always choose the simple solution like, “I’ll just go along with the crowd of lemmings. I prefer just speaking the truth as best as I can discern it, and try to improve and perfect my ideas. We live in a world of 100% lies which is why Dumb@$$es can leave Cali cause its too expensive and has too many “low lifes” around it, and then enact the same policies in their new state, to start the mess all over again. they buy the lie, hook line and sinker. And they never learn. They get what they deserve.

          most people are going to fall for conintelpro and shills. Its that simple.

  13. Pam Vernon says:

    Reblogged this on Rangitikei Enviromental Health Watch and commented:
    The reason your govt never does what you want, or should I say seldom.

  14. petergrafstrm says:

    Answer to Michael Burns 29 augusti 2018 kl. 01:52
    You failed to present any significant evidence against what I told you, just other details which in NO WAY undermined the thesis. You are also ignorant about the fact that the leading nazis confirmed Chamberlains crucial role. Why do you think Goebbels called him the pathbreaker and visionary of nazism?. Why do you think both he and Himmler confirmed Chamberlains role in making them jewwise to use a popular expression on the web today. Further a reliable eye witness confirmed that Chamberlain proofread Mein Kampf.
    Chamberlains Foundations of the 19th century was an influential work in Germany. Published simultaneousy with Edwards crowning and Sergei Nilus bringing together the aristocratic hitpiece Protocols..
    (Edward was very busy on the continent as Prince of Wales so he may well have been key to produce the ultimate version of the protocols)
    This timing was probably no coincidence. Wilhelm was directly influenced by Chamberlain. But his writing was actually a clarification of R Wagners thinking. This made Chamberlain to Hitlers greatest living inspiration. Because he was Wagners interpreter so to speak.
    W himself was often less explicit and likewise were later the Bayreuth Circle. W escaped imprisonment for direct involvement in revolutionary activities while his comrade in arms got 12 years or something. W got away by defining his politics as cultural critique.
    Britain needed W to be brought to a wider audience in order to bring about the Mackinder program of separating Germany and Russia.
    And to prevent that peope like the Warburgs would have been part of a rising german haute finance. As you know he instead became involved in the FED. Success for the British-made AA establishment.
    Chamberlain was the man to bring that about. Was Britain lucky to coincidentally see C pay recisely this role? You may like to believe that but nobody who has learned the facts about the deep states actions, the Milner group and other designations, would believe that. Far to much was at stake for the imperialists. But an agent who does the job wouldnt suffer from also believing in the message. In that sense he may or may not have been genuine. The Philby’s were able to play multilayered roles. Kim is referred to as a triple agent by those who dont buy court history.
    Also there is a view concerning the British elites that they are double natures. Have to be. How else can they simultaneously be socialists and antisocialists. Deep state key figure Alfred Milner said he was a British imperialist and a socialist. But he was a socialist primarily for to pit the jews against Russia and for to prevent capitalism in Russia and China.

    Now about the connection to Germany’s cultural elite read Joakim Köhlers Wagners Hitler 1st edition.
    (The critique from all corners should be expected to be strong so any changes in 2nd ed should be considered with that in mind)
    I dont reproach the Germans for having been tricked into all the dramatic events of the 20th century, but the truth is important in this case. I dont expect the german establishment to be of much help since they are likely to be at least somewhat harmed along with Britains imperialists. This was how the British dared this bold operation in front of the germans while predicting that they would get away with it.
    The angloamerican empire wants your ignorant world view to prevail. But Hitler was a cultural figure not a strategist and Rickard Wagner was his most important inspiration. A Wagner who already at a young age was recruited to Young Germany. This was just a local branch of a wordwide British network for recruiting revolutionaries. Today the Us and Britain uses scholarships like the Shevening to recruite westoriented traitors in for exampe asian countries.
    Soros open society makes liberals happy but its true role is to undermine the societies where they operate. (I dont need to tell you that)
    Like I mentioned in a previous comment Wagner was significantly influenced from the British both regarding his cultural work and his less known prose which Hitler read.
    A german american spy and cultural personality Hanfstaengl, who’s brother worked for FDR, played an important role in bringing Hitler to be accepted among finer circles in Germany, not the least important who were the cultural elites. Hanfstaengl also handed Hitler money when in need during his earlier career.
    (As an aside some say van der Lubbe went through Hanfstaengl’s room when he set fire to the Reichstag – if he now did that) och
    The romantic era in itself just like the so called enlightenment were not spontaneously arising movements but partially played a role in opening peoples minds to irrationality in the service of the empire.
    Much later eras like modernism and postmodernism are likewise partially elite-driven movements for to dumb down people and redirect them away from rational thought. The term Jacobinism is sometimes used to characterise a phenomenon which may result from such dumbing down methods. And both the ‘french’ revolution and the chinese cultural revolution were such jacobinian passages both inspired by the empire. In both cases people were told to denounce science.
    Regarding nazism, it was an irrational cult sprung from British masterminds like Bulwer Lytton and other stooges for Britain. But Britain was also fighting reformists like Sergei Whitte in Russia. His elder relative Blatavsky was one of Britains cultists. Presumably they recruited her to cast blame on Russia just like Britain managed t see the protocols emerge from Russia. Witte and his family didnt take Olga B seriously but in her obituary they made some remarks about there perhaps being some reality to psychic phenomena however nothing that could be made to suggest they had anything to do with those cults and related secret societies where Bulwer Lytton definitely was a key figure.
    This is a huge subject and you need to get updated about the 19th century before you are able to determine Britains real role.
    Marginalised history like this makes it important to have a background when filling in the dotted lines but you lack that background at this point and therefore you are an apologist for Britain even though you dont want that.

  15. Michael Burns says:

    To petergrafstrm:
    How arrogant of you, lol, you claim to read so much, but cannot seem to reach the truth of the matter. And that I… “[…] you lack that background at this point and therefore you are an apologist for Britain […]’.

    Background? What? lol…try this on and see if it fits.

    What is Nazism Peter? Do you know? The writings of fools and acts of blackards, a holocaust, acts of war, the testimonies of philosophic fools observant enough to map out the social landscape? The stomping around of tinplate soldiers with a new black uniform and waving a brand new flag, with an ancient esoteric symbol emblazoned on it…a little guy with a funny moustache. Who seems to be able to hold the attention of his audience for long periods of time. Your caught up in the peripherals. The idea of Nazism runs very deep…

    Is Nazism the politics of the day, the attitudes of an elite society or the plottings of subversives miles away in England?

    Although Chamberlain might appear to be what you wish him to be, he might first fit as a scape goat, and serve to patsy the idea that the British and England were up to no good — and they were up to no good. Threatened by Russia, and fastly becoming an old empire compared to a new world of a rising Russia and United States of America, they were not the creator of Nazism. And neither was Houston Chamberlain. 

    Nazism is result of a couple hundred years of an elite people and a monarchy having the idea that they are the center of the fucking universe. The old Prussian Empire, the House of Hohenzollern that ruled from the 1500’s is the beginnings of what I speak here, this goes back to Francis II the last Holy Roman Emperor. And forward to the Willem II, the last Emperor of Germany, who abdicated in 1918, after the Great war. The last in long line going back to Charlemagne himself…

    The German loves heriditary title. The two or three hundred “vons” who lost title — “zu” and “de” that lost great privilege, title and money. And that ended in 1919 with the Weimar Republic.

    Holy meaning divinely inspired and appointed; Roman as in, ‘translatio imperii” (inheritors of the Western Roman Empire) — the long line of Imperial succession, which links to translatio studii and the movement of knowledge and learning.

    Do you see were I am going with this Peter?

    Their ideals of the German ruling by divine right. The last ideals of a divinely inspired people. The last real vestiges of the older Emperors and Caesars of the late Roman empire.

    With the end of it all at the feet of Willem II, we see the last Caesar or Kaiser.

    The society on which this was all formed was strict, high German, bigoted, aloof and solipsistic in its ego — drenched in entitlement and privilege, in fact, Nazi. Anti-Semitism was well-defined within that society — the Holy Roman Empire was Catholic, Evangelical Lutheranism, and reformed Calvinism. The arrogance of its military might, had been proven on the battlefield many times. The superiority of the Prussian military mind. 

    The ideal of indoctrination, order, nation, and even the ideal of ‘Fatherland” came from the Prussian. You will have to remember that the beginning of ‘our’ educational system here in North America comes from the kindergarten of the Prussian — they did it first — ‘get them when they are young’ and condition and indoctrinate them. The Catholic church thought the same way.

    The idea of the defeated Prussian soldier leaving the battlefield, without being told to retreat is un heard of — the conditioning was sound. He was moulded to die rather than flee. The Prussian very much set the style of World War I — the rushing out of an entrenchment en masse towards a mechanical and industrial killing machine ahead of them. The last clash of the Empire and the modern industrial military world. And oh, did the German learn that lesson.

    The idea of the greater German culture, influenced by Calvinism and Lutheranism, and stereotyped with the deep belief of efficiency, austerity and discipline. The Patriarch is the herald of these Prussian virtues. And so, courage, determination, fortitude, frankness and Godliness. Incorruptiblity, industriousness and diligence, and above all loyalty, obedience, sense of order, and toughness in battle and the ‘Furor Teutonicus’.

    Germany gave us such illustrious names as Fichte, Schelling, Hegel, and Kant and they rounded out the concept of a ‘German Idealism’, and that is informed by German Romanticism and the politics of the Enlightenment. In the end these gave credence to the Volkisch, and scientific empiricism of which the Nazi German excelled.

    The explosion of culture tenured under German idealism, gave rise and formation of the body of Nazism. Hitler was the logical response to these ideas. The awaited for messiah to coalesce it into a living spiritual body. Hitler was fortunately and unfortunately, in the right place at the right time.

    Strange that you mention Blavatsky, as she it one of those elite Freemasons of that era and region. The Quatro Coranado…but, I digress

    The Thule society, you have forgotten — the real beginnings goes back to 1919 just after the Great war. And there as I have said before, was the true beginnings in that Nazi/Thule membership.

    Drexler, Hans Frank, Dietrich Eckhart, Rudolf Hess, Alfred Rosenberg, Gottfried Feder, and others who became the elite men of the Nazi government. Even Da Furher was an associate member of Thule.

    The Thule Gesellschaft  was a front of so many racist and ant-Semitic secret societies of which one was the Quatro Coronado and Blavatsky theosophy. There were many “Vons” and “Zu” in those memberships.

    The swastika was on every one of her publications. In fact the swastika comes from the old German — Iron age German, and the coat of arms of the House of Hohenzollern and Francis II. It a symbol of the Freemason. The symbol of the Thule society.

    You are forgetting the esoteric side of this matter, and I would say one of the more important aspects of the formation of the Nazi party. The Occult drove the Nazi soul and spirit, they couldn’t get enough of it. The esoteric symbolism. It was not enough to be an efficient war and political machine…they were spiritually Teutonic knights.

    The Thule Society was a Volkisch group. It sponsored the DAP, financially and with membership in the early days, of course many  joined for the anti-Semitism and the Arayan values. The DAP later became the NSDAP which is the Nazi Party.

    And what are the beliefs of the Thule society, those of the Nazis. Thules and their belief in Arayanism — one of the conditions of the membership of 1919 is a sworn ‘Blood declaration of Faith’. That there was no Jewish or colored blood flowing in either the member or his wife and family, and that they have a lineage free from those lesser races. The Thules are Anti-semitic, Anti-Communist, Centrists and of the Volkisch Bewegung organics which inform the Populists. They are Romanticists and follow closely related with Theosophy. They are the perfect Volkischer group.

    “What is Volk, in the higher sense of the term, and what is love of the fatherland?” –Johann Gottlieb Fichte

    Was Chamberlain a small part of the Nazi ideal, ‘un petit peu’. But he did not mentor, but in fact but was mentored. He found his soul there at last in the Bayreuth amongst Nazis.

    Nazism was deep within a frustrated and searching German Idealism. Waiting for a Messiah to come along and present it to the world in the form of Adolf Hitler. The embodiment of the ideal.

    You talk of Chamberlain mentoring Nazis — well, what about the Volkischer Beobachter, the NSDAP newspaper from December 25th 1920 to April 1945. One of the public faces of the Nazi party. It was originally purchased (as the Munich Observer)  in 1918 by the Thule Society. The society amiably sold the paper to the Nazis and Hitler himself bought the paper personally. Alfred Rosenberg became its editor in 1923. And when Hitler was thrown in prison, after the beer hall, he headed the Nazi party for that while.  Joseph Goebbels published articles —  other propagandists published articles — Rosenberg did draw on the ideas of Chamberlain amongst others in production of the paper. But from what I understand, Chamberlain has never wrote an article for the paper.

    In the end Germany was neck-deep in the ideas and philosophies and cultures that informed Nazism. By nature the strict order out of chaos and obedience demanded was educated/conditioned into the German mind long before the Nazis came along. The high German ideals and values reliant on ‘German Idealism’ and the scientific method. The Thule Society and other Volskisch groups romanticized it and an Arayan blood that they felt ran deep in a Germany that was covered by foreign interference, bad blood and a parasitic Judaism.

    • petergrafstrm says:

      I note that you are still in denial of Goebbels words about Chamberlain being the pathbreaker and visionary of nazism. Any logical observer would understand the importance but not you. You have some reading to do. I gave you some references.
      Regarding the Thule society it sprung from Bulwer Lyttons earlier actions.
      But he wasnt the only one. Virtually every new sect was part of Britains assault on the world. Soft power. Softening up peoples minds to render them controllable.
      And there was more going on. The better part of the 19th century was overwhelmed by Britains conspiracies against everybody. Including south and north america.
      Everyone of your comments follow the pattern of not bringing up a single circumstance contradicting the basic thesis. But what you bring up is not without interest so I dont mind. I just dont see why this interchange is of interest to you. Meanwhile an interesting addition to modern history has come up. Sylvain Laforest has brought new light on Hess flight in 1941.
      Towards the end of his analysis he concludes that Britain and Hitler agreed as I understand it in sharing the world after Hitler conquered the USSR. Orientalreview.org posts his text in parts but John Allen on veteransnewsreports has posted a larger part titled “Unpleasant truth: 1941 parachuting of Rudolf Hess in England”
      This is in agreement with what Starikov has intuited but Laforest also underlines the fact that the Us after that flight changed behaviour which is quite logical but also means there was a split between the Us and Britain of a much more dramatic nature than is usually brought up. If Britain and Germany were to share the world they would have to outmanoever the Us.
      My assumption is that the British invited Hitler to send a negotiator(=Hess) and this is what some germans claim. This explains why Britain could never allow Hess to tell anything.
      Hitler would then later have a motive to never reveal anything in order to protect the pronazi-partners who might be able to return the courtecy by handling the defeated german population in a more humane manner.
      You know that there was talk about turning Germany into just farmland as retribution.

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